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Was there ever a relatively peaceful and prosperous period in Europe for a non elite average person? Maybe only the 1990s and only in France, (Western) Germany, Spain, Italy, and Switzerland?
Actually, most of Western, Northern and Central Europe since the 1960s. Notable exceptions are Spain (under Franco) and Ireland (until the 1990s).
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I think people are going to expect the BBC to validate the correctness of quotes that they elevate into headlines. The interviewee didn't decide that that quote should be a headline, that's a creative choice by the BBC. By putting it there, they are implying that it is an accurate description of the story that follows. Is that incorrect?
The quote: 1. Indicates this a human interest story 2. Is by definition of an accurate representation of the words of the person they are quoting 3. Is a reasonable overview of a complex story, given we understand that "free-spirited" is subjective and that, again, this is a human interest story and conveying the feelings of the people involved is part of the point.
If you would, that is probably the heart of our disagreement. If not, I guess it comes down to an agree to disagree on whether the subjective window of the personality trait 'free-spirited' can include 'active participant in violent resistance against a dictatorship'.
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Choosing to substitute a general principle instead of reading about the particular event as it happened 50 years ago... that likely informed the formation of that principle... When you have nothing to add, say nothing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_transition_to_democrac... Or have the courtesy to do the reading.
A Wikipedia article would not give me sufficient knowledge to judge the effect of violent resistance. There was a fairly peaceful transition. Would teenagers throwing Molotov cocktails have helped or hindered this? Would peaceful protest or passive resistance have been better? I do not know. The general principle is more than adequate as a counter to the comment I replied to. You should not assume that is what you wo…
| You should not assume that is what you would do if you lived in a dictatorship.
No, one cannot. That said, there are people here that have made those decisions, and that are making them right now. It's strange that you have assumed of me that this could not be true. I will only say that I've made my decisions and my conscience is clear.
What you can decide right now what your principles are. One of mine is that resistance against a violent authoratarian state, including violent resistance, is morally justified.
Whether it is most effective or not is a matter for organizers, historians, and arm-chair quarterbacks like yourself.
what is this thread people supporting a totalitarian fascist regime, blaming the victim... "Shouldn't fight against the regime, violence is bad mmmkay"... "she threw molotov cocktails, she deserved it"... what is happening, i feel like i'm taking crazy pills
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> Humans are always religious, no exception. You should get out more.
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Nobody wanted her tortured except the criminals torturing her. Throwing Molotov cocktail is trivially an criminal offense. OP is making it clear that framing it as she was a “free spirit” is ridiculous.
| Nobody wanted her tortured except the criminals torturing her. Oh, word? It's dope you know the inner thoughts of everyone involved. | Throwing Molotov cocktail is trivially an criminal offense. Article didn't say she threw them herself, 'a few' of a group she was part of did. Glad you're taking the maximalist, guilty until proven innocent, position on conviction by association in the Franco Regime.
My point is the story is disjointed and sad, but there is little cohesive theme aside from pure tragedy, and the narrative presented makes no sense.
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> Whenever you try to remove religion the void fills up with something, and that something is demonic. I've heard that exact type of comparison before, and it's from those fundamentalist christians. You find out quickly, that "everything is the devil or demonic" that wasn't written down in a bronze-age book and interpreted and translated the snot out of, over a game of telephone played over 2000 years. Most of which…
Have you read these works considering historical and cultural context? Can you find anything in the New testament that supports this? Do you know about the history of how Christianity shaped European culture? There are excellent books on the subjects (Dominion by Tom Holland is brilliant on the lats of these).
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Great comic and there's a documentary about that place. Very messed up that's it's a whole child abuse industry.
Might take a karma hit for this, but whatever. Its the truth. Christians are more concerned about *causing* extreme child abuse, and then turning around and claiming its to "save them", so the abuse isnt reallllly abuse. Most of these camps cited are christian. And the people running them? Dogmatic christian fundamentalists. And these are the same types that run "pray the gay away" camps too. And my inflammatory, alb…
> religion itself is the problem
Religious flamewar isn't allowed here, so please don't post like this.
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> Humans are always religious, no exception. You should get out more.
It’s true. The supposedly “secular people” I know are always prattling about “human dignity” and stuff that sounds very religious. They don’t think of humans as walking meat like a non-religious person would.