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The Communications of the ACM no longer has an editor?
Possibly displaced by an LLM.
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Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
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Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
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I hate to be the one to say this, but this article reads as though it was written by an LLM. The shallowness is one reason. Another is the lack of any individual voice that would suggest a human author. And there are the unsupported citations and references: The sentence “The World Economic Forum’s 2023 Future of Jobs report estimates 83 million jobs may be displaced globally, disproportionately affecting low- and mi…
At this point I regularly see front-page HN articles that are LLM written (amusingly sometimes accompanied by comments praising how much of a breath of fresh air the article is compared to usual "LLM slop"). I worry about when I no longer see such articles (as that means I can no longer detect them), which likely will be soon enough.
Love the optimism couched as pessimism. LLM training data doesn't do that.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
I agree, I think that AI is not some “new” thing - we’ve had machines for a long time, and we just so happened to invent really good ones. Similar to how the machine of the Industrial Revolution laid waste to the social order of the landed aristocracy and what you might call “late stage feudalism”, so too does AI destabilize and outmode the core mythos of our time. We’re rapidly shedding an illusion of a world of fre…
Agreed. I think for Nietzsche a man creating meaning to their own existence is the act of the artist — conquering one’s self. God and the afterlife provided some basic land and footing to do this… or at least posited the possible existence of some unknown and to be discovered universal morality or frame of reference. God was sort of like Ether in pre-relativistic physics. The famous god is dead quote paints the image…
I’m skeptical of any profit motive that would actually justify building self-mastery into AI, but then again, this is possibly just a reiteration of California ideology problems. As it turns out, technology can be massively transformative, connective, and truly enable creative expression and mind-expansion, but the amount of that going on versus the internet just being an insane global bazaar of greed and entertainment far outweighs this.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
A positive outcome of LLMs. Regardless if the specific article is AI generated or not, we become increasingly intolerant of shallowness. While in the past we would engage with the token effort of the source, we now draw conclusions and avoid the engagement much faster. I am expecting the quality of real articles to improve to avoid the more sensitive reader filters.
I now notice myself cringe internally whenever I say anything that has become a ChatGPT-ism, even if it's something I always used to say.
I used to write very formally and neutrally, and now I don't, because it comes across as LLM-ish. My sentences used to lack "humanity", so to speak. :(
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#115I'm so torn about this article. On the one hand, it's great to see technologists engaging more with philosophy—arguably the technological landscape we currently have would h ave been much better if they had done so more deeply and more frequently. On the other hand, this is a pretty shallow article and does not, on my read, offer anything to anyone even vaguely familiar with technology and Nietzsche's philosophy. A m…
Gertz concludes: > But passive nihilism is also leading us to see in technologies a way to become sicker humans, humans who are trapped in an endless cycle of never being satisfied with how much “better” we have become. In other words, passive nihilism is leading us toward active nihilism, toward being able to question if we know what “better” means; to question if we know what purpose such betterment is meant to ser…
Yeah but we need to distinguish between different types of nihilism. Existential nihilism (which it is talking about) is different from moral nihilism, for example. Moral nihilism is in essence: nothing is inherently morally wrong or right, with which I used to agree.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#116Whoever wrote this article probably has little more than a cursory or highly aesthetecized understanding of Nietzsche’s philosophy. It feels like they just related his idea of value-creation to a bunch of pre-conceived purportedly “bad things” like lack of social cohesion. Most of his work deals with the psychological and historical origins of morality/philosophy, as well as how it might change as a result of herd dy…
I agree, I think that AI is not some “new” thing - we’ve had machines for a long time, and we just so happened to invent really good ones. Similar to how the machine of the Industrial Revolution laid waste to the social order of the landed aristocracy and what you might call “late stage feudalism”, so too does AI destabilize and outmode the core mythos of our time. We’re rapidly shedding an illusion of a world of fre…
Sorry dude but lol. You are pontificating over an online image generator and calculator.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
The Communications of the ACM no longer has an editor?
Possibly displaced by an LLM.
Nope, I'm still the Editor-in-Chief, and the last time I checked, I'm not an LLM. Nor are the other 100+ associate editors of the magazine.
I want to point out that this is a blog post appearing on the CACM website. It was not reviewed or edited by CACM, beyond a few cursory checks.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
Possibly displaced by an LLM.
Nope, I'm still the Editor-in-Chief, and the last time I checked, I'm not an LLM. Nor are the other 100+ associate editors of the magazine. I want to point out that this is a blog post appearing on the CACM website. It was not reviewed or edited by CACM, beyond a few cursory checks.
Now that makes more sense.
I guess it doesn't help that the post is formatted as a typical article with the bio blurb. It's worth distinguishing the blog entries more and perhaps posting a disclaimer. After all when people think of CACM they don't generally have blogs in mind.
Re: Why Nietzsche matters in the age of artificial intelligence
#119Nietzsche is one of those thinkers who did a good job of identifying a major problem of their time. Then he went on to propose a solution, which didn't work out. (The same could be said of Marx, who was also active in the middle of the 19th century. The two apparently never met.) Nietzsche wrote as the era of the landed aristocracy was ending. A society with an agrarian peasantry and an armed land-owning class can be…
> he went on to propose a solution, which didn't work out
What was his proposed solution?