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> Europe…issues… can still be traced back to unresolved wealth pumps and neoliberal policies weakening the state and labor force in favor of business and billionaire interests Is it your position that Europe just hasn’t done socialism hard enough? Can you point to an example of a country who has successfully done what you’d like to see?
> Is it your position that Europe just hasn’t done socialism hard enough? No, obviously, but I can see how folks who cannot grasp the complexity and nuance of geopolitics might reach for classic boogeyman arguments like this one. > Can you point to an example of a country who has successfully done what you’d like to see? If I could, then it’s a certainty others would have emulated them by now as well. Don’t you dare…
Sure it’s possible that no one has ever tried the flavor of socialism that bypasses the corruption and power-seeking all rulers have been prone to for millennia. But it is a weak argument to rely on that.
All we know is no one has proven a non-corrupt fully socialist state that actually has a good economy has been achieved. Both that and cold fusion might be someday achieved, but I think cold fusion is orders of magnitude more likely. All it takes is one bad-faith leader to bring down a political system, so even if it’s achieved it may not be worth it.
Why do I say a good economy? Because I assert that even with its flaws, it’s way nicer to be a very-low-wage earner here than even to be median in Mao’s China or modern-day DPRK. So if you have perfect equality with a worthless economy it’s not really a victory.