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IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

> If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws

Not defending UK's idiotic laws, but this doesn't hold. If you cannot regulate websites outside of the country of origin, then no internet regulation can hold for any subject. Openly selling stolen personal credentials or botnet usage? Piracy? Reselling personal information without disclosure?

So there are effectively three options for internet regulation;

- Require websites to operate region by region with IP blocks for any non-target market. This is much of EU law is applied. If you put an effort to not serve EU costumers, you can skip following EU rules. "comply or leave"

- Any country can regulate any website regardless of origin, like the UK seems to push for. This is an insane proposal and could easily create geopolitical disputes. Great firewall and banning VPNs would be the only proper way to achieve what they seem to aim for.... which i wouldn't put past them by now.

- Give up regulating the internet entirely. Some level of regulation is valuable so I don't think this will ever work. There are simply some things illegal and deplorable enough to require laws.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by Alex2037 »

mlhpdx wrote: post #81
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

I don’t agree that choosing to host a website without limiting the audience is innocent. It’s a choice, and has been the default for a long time, but it means one has chosen to speak outside the borders of their own country and that comes with rules, like them or not.

are your websites compliant with Russian, Chinese, and Iranian laws and online regulations?

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by gpm »

landl0rd wrote: post #98
gpm wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is having your web server send IP packets with an IP address addressed to an overseas address to your ISP who you have signed a contract with to have them deliver those packets to the designated address if not actively reaching across borders? That's what happens when you respond to a request after all. (Up to very minor nits, e.g. you might be paying a cloud provider instead of an ISP).

It is a reply. I am not responsible for checking the locality of an IP address. Indeed, I can never do so with one hundred per cent accuracy. It is Not My Problem. Governments that expect some content or other blocked can damn well do it themselves, in their own legal system. They cannot compel someone else to spend his time, talent, or treasure to enforce their petty rules. If they go after one of their own for requ…

It is a reply... that you chose to send despite being fully aware that by doing so you might be reaching out across borders because that's how the internet and your contracts with your service providers works.

Governments can do whatever they damn well please in their own territory. Including arresting you if you ever visit because you violated some law that they wrote that applies to people in the rest of the world, or even you violated some law that a friend of theirs (i.e. a country with an extradition treaty) wrote to apply to people in the rest of the world. If those actions compel people to spend their time, talent, or treasure to enforce their petty rules then they can do that.

Whatever "actively reaching out" standard you are imagining doesn't exist in the first place. Even if it did though, you clearly violated it when you sent the reply to the request actively aware that it could go across borders.

SCOTUS (with an emphasis on the US) decisions seem rather irrelevant to non-US actors.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by ChocolateGod »

owl_vision wrote: post #107
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

what happens if an IP address is not in the geo db? For example: 2606:4700::6811:

You check the country the ASN behind the IP belongs to.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by mrlonglong »

HotGarbage wrote: post #100
mrlonglong wrote: post #85

I don't understand this. You're perfectly free to run these websites from the US. We just exercise our right to block these at our UK shores. Where's the problem?

They're not blocking them, they're actively seeking fines, even after the site takes it upon themselves to block the UK.

Ah, now that's silly of our dear UK Govt. Bit of an overreach there, and oh definitely they'll get bitch slapped.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by reaperducer »

toyg wrote: post #48
themafia wrote: post #5

> They’re definitely not treating it like a public safety matter, where they know how to reach us and know that I generally respond within the hour. It's been exceedingly obvious but it's nice to know that Ofcom never thought that anyone would bother to fight back. This is clearly not about public safety but about controlling American corporations. Parliamentary forces seem to be directly suborning this corruption.

> This is clearly [...] about controlling American corporations Not exactly. On the surface, it's about kowtowing to pearl-clutching UK NGOs that are empowered by Rupert and Lachlan Murdoch's hysterical tabloids; and underneath, the real agenda is about restricting the influence of unsanctioned sites that could influence UK discourse - influence that established UK press barons (like the Murdochs, Lebedev, etc) want…

influence that established UK press barons (like the Murdochs, Lebedev, etc) want to keep very much to themselves.

I could see that last century. But do they even care about influence anymore? Isn't the money all they care about now?

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by aDyslecticCrow »

landl0rd wrote: post #86
mlhpdx wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don’t agree that choosing to host a website without limiting the audience is innocent. It’s a choice, and has been the default for a long time, but it means one has chosen to speak outside the borders of their own country and that comes with rules, like them or not.

No, one has chosen to make something available for contact within one country. One is not actively himself reaching across borders to do so. One cannot reasonably be required to take any affirmative action to fulfill the whims of a foreign government. Also, Britain isn't important enough to make this stick against e.g. an American. If someone writes me a letter asking a question about material that is prohibited in h…

If someone writes you a letter than they have your family hostage, and to route 50.000 dollars thorough bitcoin to not have them killed, with a AI generated video as proof; are they scott free because they're not based in the US?

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by iamnothere »

aDyslecticCrow wrote: post #111
Hizonner wrote: post #55

You shouldn't even be expected to geoblock. If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws unless I am taking specific action intended to attract users in country B in particular . That's doesn't mean just to target the whole world, either. If you don't want your citizens to access something in another country, take it up with your citizens. It was obvious from the minute t…

> If I'm operating a Web site in country A, I should not have to care about country B's laws Not defending UK's idiotic laws, but this doesn't hold. If you cannot regulate websites outside of the country of origin, then no internet regulation can hold for any subject. Openly selling stolen personal credentials or botnet usage? Piracy? Reselling personal information without disclosure? So there are effectively three o…

If country B doesn’t like it, block the site in question.

You’re not going to extradite US site operators, period. Find another approach.

Re: IP blocking the UK is not enough to comply with the Online Safety Act

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Post by Hizonner »

anonymousDan wrote: post #73
sys_64738 wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> just don't travel to the UK and you're okay. Pretty much avoid entering Britain or its dependencies or you'll be nabbed on a Commonwealth Warrant and extradited to England.

Yes the US does this shit all the time. Suck it up.

So you like it when the US does it, and want to encourage more of it worldwide?
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