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Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by tstrimple »

moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

The fanboys buy into the politics. They legitimately believe Musk made Twitter a place for free speech just because they can say racial slurs without repercussions. But happily ignore folks censored for saying such awful things as "cis". Musk fans are hypocrites first and foremost. Just like most right wingers. They demonstrate time and time again that they have zero real values or consistency.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #94
dzhiurgis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

Is this a trick question? I know the Tesla software locks as much as possible to prevent third party repairs.

Huh? All cars are software locked.

With Tesla at least you can pay $5 per day to use their tools (and you NEED their tools because they are up to date with cars firmware).

I'm sure once cars are EOL'd Tesla will release final version of diagnostics, like they did with Roadster - https://github.com/teslamotors/roadster

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by rsynnott »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #93
bryanlarsen wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The VW group sells 13 different vehicles built on the MEB platform. The id.4 alone sells comparably to the Tesla Y, but if you consider all 13 the same car they are far and away the best selling car in Europe. Considering all 13 the same might be a stretch, but if you just take the 6 that are the same size as the id.4 you still end up with the same result.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

... What makes you think a VW ID.4 is obscure? I think it's usually the best-selling electric car in Europe. You see way more of those with recent (last few years) registrations in Dublin than Teslas.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by rsynnott »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #109
bryanlarsen wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The VW, obviously. With most parts shared across 13 models and all models static for at least a year and usually longer. Plus VW has a good history of parts availability. Tesla on the other hand is famous for both making minor changes to their vehicles pretty much continuously and a bad history of parts availability.

1M cars over 13 models mean you’ll have no parts at all. 10M identical cars means there’s massive third party supply. Parts are already cheaper than Toyota’s.

Teslas very much aren't identical over models. Remember this? https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners...

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by rsynnott »

themafia wrote: post #27
moosedman wrote: post #2

I don’t understand how the Tesla fanboys don’t realize how badly he’s torched his consumer base with his politics…

I don't understand why people think only left wing voters would buy a Tesla. If you think that's true then people aren't buying a quality vehicle they're buying an ideological badge. If you don't think that's true then people aren't buying them because they're not quality vehicles.

In Europe, even most of the right wing, except the _real_ fringes, get a _little_ uncomfortable about _Nazi salutes_. For, y'know, obvious reasons.

(Tbh, I'm amazed that the right in the US seem willing to give him a pass on that.)

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

rsynnott wrote: post #113
dzhiurgis wrote: post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In 10-20-30 years, which one do you think you'll be able to maintain - obscure VW ID.4.324.7-cz or Tesla Model Y?

... What makes you think a VW ID.4 is obscure? I think it's usually the best-selling electric car in Europe. You see way more of those with recent (last few years) registrations in Dublin than Teslas.

Less than 1M units total sold worldwide or about 10x less.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

rsynnott wrote: post #114
dzhiurgis wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1M cars over 13 models mean you’ll have no parts at all. 10M identical cars means there’s massive third party supply. Parts are already cheaper than Toyota’s.

Teslas very much aren't identical over models. Remember this? https://www.extremetech.com/cars/314871-tesla-model-y-owners...

Moot point over a bracket when car has over 30k total parts.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by dzhiurgis »

schmidtleonard wrote: post #95
dzhiurgis wrote: post #88

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We are not even in US, but 2 of my Tesla friends turned to support Trump and upgraded to new Model Y. I'd do the same, but I'm broke. I don't support Trump at all, but at least I don't suffer from TDS. I feel there has been shift or perhaps we were cringe tech bros from the start.

> at least I don't suffer from TDS Trump earns the ire of his political opposition. Framing that ire as delusional is itself delusional.

Nicely put. But there's ire and there's a very small minority of derangement.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by postflopclarity »

ajross wrote: post #102
breve wrote: post #100

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I don't see the point in the mental gymnastics to make excuses for Musk. He's plainly not as you wish him to be. It's much better to simply see him as he is. This is how he is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smQNNo2a9xc It's not great.

Where do you see me making excuses for Musk? I'm saying I'm happy to drive, buy and recommend a Tesla even if the company is run by a drunk uncle because the other 100,000 of them seem like they worked hard to make a good product. You really think Telsa is the only company with drunk uncles at the helm? Again, the collision of your personal politics with what you want to achieve seems really muddled here. What do you…

you're supporting the business ventures of a literal Nazi.

I'm generally not a fan of "cancel culture" but in this case I think a boycott is the only ethical choice.

Re: Tesla's German car sales more than halve in October as wider EV sales jump

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Post by postflopclarity »

ajross wrote: post #104
breve wrote: post #103

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Calling him a drunk uncle is making excuses for him.

Only if you take as a prior that he's somehow more objectionable than the like 20% of the electorate that I'm painting as "drunk uncles". And he's... not. He's just rich. Musk doesn't say or do anything you can't see on Fox every day. He doesn't spout opinions you can't read expressed right here on HN in every politics thread (in fact he's a pretty pure distillation of the HN self-righteous libertarian jerk, honestly…

> Musk doesn't say or do anything you can't see on Fox every day. He doesn't spout opinions you can't read expressed right here on HN in every politics thread

again, he literally threw two Sieg Heils. I don't see that every day.

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