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Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by helicone »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #39
shmageggy wrote: post #4

> ...the United Arab Emirates (UAE) accused of backing the RSF with supplies and mercenaries... And also helping to launder Hemedti's gold via Dubai. https://globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/conflict-resources/ex...

How come dubai hasn’t experienced any sanctions yet? They’ve been laundering everything for ages, esp Russian oil. How are they so immune to this?

the CIA hired the mafia to assassinate castro in the 60s. these things are not so black and white. stated goals are often independent of behavior

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by alephnerd »

hansmayer wrote: post #77
alephnerd wrote: post #11

Sadly, yet another bloody chapter of the Abu Dhabi (al Nahyan) - Doha (al Thani) feud that has been going on since the 2011 coup attempt [0], which itself is part of a longer multi-generational blood feud going on between the royal families [4]. The Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, and Balkans are all burning because of this saga [1]. The UAE backs the RSF [2] (formerly known as the Janjaweed of the Darfur Ge…

> The Middle East, North Africa, Central Asia, and Balkans are all burning because of this saga Balkans, you say?

The UAE backs Vucic and is the primary FDI source for Serbia's real estate and armaments industry. A major reason Vucic's administration slid into authoritarianism was because the opposition began asking hard questions about the Belgrade Waterfront Project.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by Ylpertnodi »

RobotToaster wrote: post #83
card_zero wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Visible from space" used to mean "by astronauts". If high-resolution sensors are allowed, then the term applies to things like a tree and a car, and doesn't signify much. Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person.

> Well, maybe it signifies that nobody wants to go and take photos in person. I'd happily do it if someone pays for my ticket

Start a gofundme, I'll chip in.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by alephnerd »

ch4s3 wrote: post #85
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Qatar already deals with Iran and Russia by proxy So does the UAE. They’ve played their game well. It doesn’t mean we need to be their staunch defenders. But it’s in our government’s interest to not piss them off for no gain. And we’re not in a place in America where foreign policy swings power.

We should wash our hands of both places and their petty feud. They offer us nothing but problems and moral stain by association.

Much of Europe and Asia is dependent on Gulf sourced ONG and Gulf sourced FDI.

And the current crisis is happening because the last time we were hands off with Middle Eastern affairs shortly before the Arab Spring, a number of conflicts spiraled into proxy wars between KSA, UAE, Qatar, Turkiye, and Iran.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by parineum »

ricardobeat wrote: post #95
fortran77 wrote: post #67

I presume there will be protests at Columbia University?

I take it that’s supposed to be funny. Most people have absolutely zero agency over what happens beyond their own city’s borders, proclaiming your views loudly in public is one of the very few ways you can influence society.

Agree or disagree this post is clearly about which genocide they choose to protest.

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by YZF »

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #44
shmageggy wrote: post #4

> ...the United Arab Emirates (UAE) accused of backing the RSF with supplies and mercenaries... And also helping to launder Hemedti's gold via Dubai. https://globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/conflict-resources/ex...

China, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Russia, Turkey, (EDIT: the UK, indirectly) and Egypt have each also supplied weapons into this conflict [1]. Presumably due to Sudan’s position on the Red Sea. (China and the UAE seem to be alone in supplying the RSF, though.) [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudanese_civil_war_(2023%E2%80...

From that Wikipedia (2023-):

- Significantly more than 150,000 total killed

- Estimated 522,000 children dead due to malnutrition

- 8,856,313 internally displaced

- 3,506,383 refugees

Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by NedF »

culi wrote: post #66

Sudan is the 3rd largest producer of gold in Africa but it remains the poorest country in Africa because the companies that exploit those resources are never Sudanese. The RSF got their weapons by acting as mercenaries for the UAE to fight against the Houthis in Yemen. Fighting as a mercenary is pretty much the only reliable source of income for many people in the country.

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Re: Visible from space, Sudan's bloodied sands expose a massacre of thousands

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Post by lazide »

MMAesawy wrote: post #103
ngruhn wrote: post #87

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The number of violent conflicts initiated by various islamist groups is insane [1]. There is something wrong here that goes beyond funding. It's possible to acknowledge that without being islamophobic. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ongoing_armed_conflict...

The heatmap may as well represent a map of recently decolonized areas with unresolved political issues, and just so happens that many of these places have significant Muslim populations.

If you read the Koran and Hadiths, there are numerous statements about the true Muslims duty being to spread Islam - at the point of the sword being a well supported one, scripture wise.

Abu Bakr [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Bakr] and even Mohammed himself [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_expeditions_of_Muhamma...].

It has never been a particularly ‘turn the other cheek’ religion.

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