Sure. They have a culture of making more money at any cost. See the many reports of treating their workforce poorly. Their people are expendable. The statement is accurate, just not in the way they want us to interpret it.
Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
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Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#112From Jassy's blog post in September: >It’s created artifacts that we’d like to change (e.g., pre-meetings for the pre-meetings for the decision meetings, a longer line of managers feeling like they need to review a topic before it moves forward, owners of initiatives feeling less like they should make recommendations because the decision will be made elsewhere, etc.) [...] So, we’re asking each s-team organization to…
Original link to Jassy's blog post in September:
https://www.aboutamazon.com/news/company-news/ceo-andy-jassy...
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#113Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
The link you posted is broken. But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though. It's happening in their retail or business departments. I'm kind of horrified by the rise of anti-immigrant rhetoric in engineering circles online and how normalized it's becoming. (Especially troubling how much Indians in particular are drawing ire). Is it…
The links I have added above all show that Engineers are in fact impacted by this.
???
The links you have shared are relating to the Engadget leaks - which is specifically about turnover among warehouse workers.
Amazon is not using H1B workers to fill these positions.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#115There's been a lot of debate around Amazon's hiring practices, particularly given the conflicting data and statements from the company. A core issue seems to be that Amazon has alienated a significant portion of its domestic engineering talent pool. Many experienced engineers have left, and others seem unwilling to return, even when offered higher-level roles. I personally was an L7 engineer and turned down a boomera…
The link you posted is broken. But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though. It's happening in their retail or business departments. I'm kind of horrified by the rise of anti-immigrant rhetoric in engineering circles online and how normalized it's becoming. (Especially troubling how much Indians in particular are drawing ire). Is it…
> Immigration restrictions are arbitrary and unfair, and in my mind any carveouts for them are a good thing.
Given how many CS grads in US colleges are struggling to find a job these days, I disagree.
If there is demand beyond what local supply can provide, sure. That may have been the case 10 years ago, but it's not the case today.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#116I don't know how it couldn't be more obvious the only option they had in order to satiate Wall Street is to buy more GPUs for their wildly overbooked AWS demand induced by AI, and the only way to do that was by cutting fixed costs, aka salaries.
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
The links I have added above all show that Engineers are in fact impacted by this.
??? The links you have shared are relating to the Engadget leaks - which is specifically about turnover among warehouse workers . Amazon is not using H1B workers to fill these positions.
You must be confused.
If you look again you'll find another link to the H-1B data, And there are many types of engineering titles listed there.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#118There's been a lot of debate around Amazon's hiring practices, particularly given the conflicting data and statements from the company. A core issue seems to be that Amazon has alienated a significant portion of its domestic engineering talent pool. Many experienced engineers have left, and others seem unwilling to return, even when offered higher-level roles. I personally was an L7 engineer and turned down a boomera…
The link you posted is broken. But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though. It's happening in their retail or business departments. I'm kind of horrified by the rise of anti-immigrant rhetoric in engineering circles online and how normalized it's becoming. (Especially troubling how much Indians in particular are drawing ire). Is it…
> But I can tell you with fair certainty that Amazon's high turnover rate is NOT happening in their engineering departments, though.
Maybe you mean there hasn't been any change in their turnover recently, but the numbers (not to mention, the horror stories) I heard more than a decade ago from then-current and ex-AMZN folks were already pretty bad.
As an illustrative example, IIRC the average tenure is 21 months, which is just 3 months short of their first big RSU chunk (15%?) vesting. That is, people could not bear to stay another 3 months to get a big chunk of equity that they'd worked for the past 21 months.
If people recall that NY Times article about Amazon culture, I had already heard examples of everything in that article and more from people who had left.
Re: Amazon says it didn't cut people because of money. But because of 'culture'
#119There's been a lot of debate around Amazon's hiring practices, particularly given the conflicting data and statements from the company. A core issue seems to be that Amazon has alienated a significant portion of its domestic engineering talent pool. Many experienced engineers have left, and others seem unwilling to return, even when offered higher-level roles. I personally was an L7 engineer and turned down a boomera…
It's not even H1Bs and not just Amazon. Amazon and most Big Tech companies have been shifting jobs overseas (via hiring freezes in the US and open headcount in India) for almost 4 years now.