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Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#111

I'm surprised so many replies here are about removing a free tier 2 years ago. Things cost money, what did you expect? Whenever I get free products that cost money I expect it's either temporary, or I'm being the product myself.

More surprising is what a jerk the CEO of PlanetScale is. He's on Twitter being nasty at everyone and everything. The guy is toxic as hell.

He posted this:

"I would like to thank the haters for helping me promote the new PlanetScale $5 plan all day. Thanks guys."

Scorching his reputation on Hacker News is a real 400 IQ movie for a cloud database company CEO.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#112

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we did. we called it the Hobby plan. we never said forever.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240124013352/https://planetsca... Says "free forever"

"Hobby Free forever for hobby use"

Wow. The guy is a jerk and a liar. The board at PlanetScale needs to get this guy off the internet. He's too much of an asshole to be seen in public.

I have no real horse in this race. I know how to manage my own databases, but I do have people asking me about PlanetScale and asking me to use it for certain projects, and I will absolutely never do so now.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#113

I like PlanetScale, but they already have precedent very recently for having a free-tier and then cancelling it for a minimum of $40/month plan, which made many people switch. What's to stop them from doing the same here? Be wary of building a cheap hobby project on it expecting pricing to stay consistent. If $40+ isn't feasible for you, you may be trying to switch off to a hosted PostgreSQL option, with all the pain…

What other free thing did people switch to? Nothing good seems free anymore.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#114

I notice that PlanetScale has a Developer Educator position available. Has anyone sent that to Aaron Francis yet? He might be interested.

Wow I didn't know he got laid off. I remember watching his videos a few years ago and absolutely loved his way of teaching. He's the reason I found out about PlanetScale to begin with.

Looking at their youtube channel, Aaron's videos had a total of ~1.4m views over 24 videos (an average of ~58k per video). Their recent videos don't even get past 1k views...

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#116

Databricks Neon [1] has a free tier for their Postgres service. Neon's strength that allows them to offer a free tier lies in their serverless, cloud-native PostgreSQL architecture with a separation of storage and compute resources. This allows Neon to scale compute to zero automatically when the database is idle. [1] https://neon.com

>This allows Neon to scale compute to zero

It sure does scale to zero alright...

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#117

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If a business does not run at a profit, it folds, and all the people there lose out. Now, of course, the scale of the profit is worth discussing. The use of the profit is worth discussing. But in general terms some profit is necessary. For example, I bootstraped a business from 0 to 50 people. We took no outside investment. We "paid" for the growth using profits. Our working capital, cash reserves, stock, equipment,…

I have immense respect for you building a profitable bootstrapped business. We raised venture to do this, I can't imagine bootstrapping. People are upset that I said I don't care what he thinks and maybe I was harsh but honestly people who have never tried doing this are always the ones to take shots, you basically can't care.

> I was harsh but honestly people who have never tried doing this are always the ones to take shots

People who haven't tried doing what, running a VC-backed SaaS, a model which by its own nature is destined to end up engaging in dumping practices to gain market share, after which enshittification ensues? With the alternative being going bust or being acquired and then quickly shut down? As we've seen hundreds of times now?

I mean, yeah. In the sense that people who haven't tried kicking their cat tend to be the ones taking shots at those who have.

Look, maybe you're a unicorn, in the sense that you're the 1%, the single person in your batch who ends up both profitable and won't follow down this path. But that's an extraordinary claim that would require overwhelming evidence. You spent lots of resources on Youtube and Twitter evangelism to cheap solo devs, targeting the exact content those consume - even compared to all of your competitors and other dev tools going at this market, investing in this strategy harder than almost anyone - which obviously results in an enormously lopsided % of free-tier uses (that's the whole point of the strategy). To then go "turns out we're not profitable this way, who woulda thought, guess we have to go paid-only!", this alone basically rules out the extraordinary claim. There's no chance you didn't do the back-of-the-envelope calculation about how big of a free tier you could realistically support.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#119

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Why would we? we make a (small) profit on these cheaper tiers. We are a sustainable and profitable company. Also the free tier wasnt cancelled very recently it was 1.5 years ago so you are reaching a bit here.

A bit of unsolicited advice: This post is the first time I've heard of your company and your blog post interested me. When proprietors go to the mat in the comment section, I immediately lose any interest in patronizing them.

Your loss, Planetscale is an amazing product.

Re: PlanetScale Offering $5 Databases

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a business does not run at a profit, it folds, and all the people there lose out. Now, of course, the scale of the profit is worth discussing. The use of the profit is worth discussing. But in general terms some profit is necessary. For example, I bootstraped a business from 0 to 50 people. We took no outside investment. We "paid" for the growth using profits. Our working capital, cash reserves, stock, equipment,…

I am wondering about one thing though. I would also wish to do things bootstrapped if possible if I ever do anything but I just have some questions that might sound stupid but alright How do you actually sell stuff on the internet with a price? I will admit, free stuff are easy to sell... because they are free. But once you remove the free stuff, it becomes a scar easy to tell in the future, is the answer always havi…

You sell it. And users are happy to pay because they're getting time and value in return. I also sell a product - not something database related but it doesn't matter. The users get value out of our product. To get the same thing elsewhere it would either cost them much more, be a lot less flexibly available, or be of lower quality.

If you were a gardener would you also find it hard to make people pay for you going to their house and taking care of their garden? They're paying for it because they feel it's worth it.

Of course, it depends on what you're selling, but I'm assuming you're not asking about selling gambling products or crack cocaine. As for those, the answer is "be a psychopath".

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