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YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

benbristow wrote: post #100
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything. Do you actually need everything, everywhere, all at once? Do one at a time and then switch after you run out of shows or if another service has a "must-watch".

Why are you simping for the shareholders? I should have the choice of anything I want to watch. The unethical option provides all and is cheaper than a subscription for a single one of those services. Besides, those services often make it difficult to unsubscribe with dark patterns.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform?

Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is.

The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free to do it, not going to pretend I'm a saint on the matter, but don't act all incredulous and morally superior. You're still here complaining you could steal oxy cheaper than pay for it at a pharmacy; just a different fix.

WRT unsubscribing, I can't relate. It's, what, 5 buttons? I do it every other month and it's never been a problem. Isn't this forum supposed to be techies?

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by pengaru »

ryandrake wrote: post #88
pengaru wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true... but such an awful double edged sword. I have quite a bit of experience as an auto mechanic, and love using youtube to find footage of something I'm considering doing or some item I'm considering buying. Just the effort+time savings alone is a game changer. Previously I would download FSMs for something I was considering acquiring to see what it's really like to work on / maintain / something of the inter…

The major problem with relying on YouTube content for general automotive diagnosis and repair is that it doesn't tend to be general purpose. It's always "how this one guy fixed this one problem on this one car." A video could have a title like "Fixing a 2002 Toyota Corolla that won't start" but all it shows is the guy jumping right into replacing his fuel pump. There can be many other reasons that a 2002 Corolla won'…

Or they "fix" their issue by replacing the fuel pump, but totally neglected to point out what actually fixed their problem was the clogged pick-up sock they incidentally replaced while replacing the fuel pump. And never even looked inside the tank to address, let alone identify, their real problem.

Seen this kind of thing play out on YT too many times to count.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

#113

Post by softwaredoug »

ac29 wrote: post #68
softwaredoug wrote: post #21

My personal theory on this is prestige TV is in a recession. After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off. Even for a good show it can feel like work. That plus the high cost for studios and over abundance of supply, meant studios pulled back. Instead we’re seeing a reemergence of low effort TV. And YouTube plays nicely into that. At some…

> After Game of thrones season 8, people wonder why they should invest into a show when there’s a high chance it won’t pay off. GoT was going downhill way before the final season. Also, I'm not sure what you mean by investing in a show. TV watching should be enjoyable, you dont have to watch things you dont like hoping for a payoff later on.

When I see a show has 2 seasons (like Andor) and it’s finished. And I see it’s well reviewed I’m definitely in. The creators thought out a compete arc.

When a (non episodic) show is in 3 out of ?? seasons even if everything is good so far, I’m now skeptical. Not just GoT but shows like Westworld leave me wondering if I wasted my time.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by benbristow »

Tadpole9181 wrote: post #111
benbristow wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why are you simping for the shareholders? I should have the choice of anything I want to watch. The unethical option provides all and is cheaper than a subscription for a single one of those services. Besides, those services often make it difficult to unsubscribe with dark patterns.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform? Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free…

Because it's totally possible? They've done it with Spotify for music. No reason the same shouldn't be done for films and TV.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by freefaler »

INTPenis wrote: post #7

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs. Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

I'm waiting for TorrentCoin to pay/earn while you're watching/seeding to occur and then the pirating will become profitable and open the flood of dedicated for profit pirates from less regulated parts of the world. When this happens (it's sorta happening right now with Real Debrid & etc...) there will be a napster moment for movies and streaming.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

array_key_first wrote: post #104
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Even if you subscribed to them all you'd still not have everything. Do you actually need everything, everywhere, all at once? Do one at a time and then switch after you run out of shows or if another service has a "must-watch".

Or, just pirate it. The quality will probably be better, anyway.

Eh, depends. Pirates these days need to burn hardware keys for 4K, so only sponsored or high-popularity stuff gets it. Everything else gets 1080p, though some groups do upscaling to try and make up for it.

If the content has a Blu-ray release, the pirated content will usually be better than the stream. But you could also purchase the Blu-ray yourself.

Anyway, pirating is illegal. I totally respect it for those who can't pay due to economic bloc or age, or as a form of protest... but hearing folk with 6-figure salaries bemoan having to pay too much, then act like children when told they could just take turn with the toys does rub me the wrong way.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by Tadpole9181 »

benbristow wrote: post #114
Tadpole9181 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And why are you acting like you have a right to unlimited access of all content made, regardless of the economics, for $20 a month at the highest quality of service through one platform? Things cost money, that's the world we live in. You don't have to like it, but it is what it is. The unethical option is actually illegal and, as more people do it, only game theories everyone else into having to pay more. Feel free…

Because it's totally possible? They've done it with Spotify for music. No reason the same shouldn't be done for films and TV.

Are we seriously praising Spotify's business model and affect on the creator market?

Not to mention they're up to $12/month. Creating movies and shows is significantly more expensive than music, so it makes sense the price to a catalogue would be scaled by an order of magnitude. Not to mention the increased costs for digital providers for storage, bandwidth, and compute requirements.

I'm, of course, more than happy to hear about how the reruns of Friends could stay on Netflix since it's just a dispute about perceived value. But the rest? Come on, I know you aren't totally ignorant on the economics of these markets.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by Melonai »

zingababba wrote: post #103
INTPenis wrote: post #7

In my circle, piracy is making a comeback. We're tired of having to hunt down streaming services, and be extorted for hundreds of euro a month, just to see ads for their own programs. Streaming was fun for a while, but as always these greedy execs are ruining it.

For me personally piracy made a comeback when everyone memory-holed "The Speech" episode from IT Crowd. I had even paid for it on a separate platform when Amazon removed it, only to find the platform I paid for it on removed it also. Say what you will about Graham Lineham, I still think it's one of the funniest IT crowd episodes, on par with "The Work Outing". I'd rather not have media I personally enjoy rug-pulled f…

Yeah Graham Linehan was a great comedy writer (past tense because I don't think he's writing more, not that he is a horrible writer now), and even though IT Crowd had some really weird episodes towards the end, it's really interesting to see how much his views shifted (in my biased opinion, for the worse) after the show was done.

For people not in the know, Linehan is nowadays a very outspoken voice against "transgenderism", specifically in regards to trans women, and is quite close to the J.K. Rowling sphere of influence. He seems to have given up a lot to end up where he's now.

Now with IT Crowd, it's fascinating that there are the typical early 2000s trans jokes, what with the trans woman getting into a relationship with Douglas because he misheard her saying "I used to be a man", for "I used to be from Iran", after which Douglas and the trans woman get into a fist fight together. This is the episode "The Speech" that the parent is referring to. It's pulled from circulations over allegations of transphobia, but really this wasn't at all abnormal for the time, and there were lots of shows with jokes that, although maybe less physical, were far more cruel to trans women (trans men of course, never really coming up at all, but that's another story). I remember a tweet that called out Linehan for this episode at the time, and he apologized with genuine understanding, no cruelty behind it. That's not something I could ever imagine him doing now. It's a shame in my opinion, I think IT Crowd is one of the better comedy shows of it's time and I don't know if he'll be able to write it now as he used to, as with any deeply held political belief it does seep into the work itself, sometimes making it better, sometimes ruining it, though I will probably not watch anything Linehan will create in the future, sadly.

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by agumonkey »

speak_plainly wrote: post #24

There was a time when the algorithm was truly amazing and the recommendations were smart, spot-on, and mostly high quality. I don't know what happened but you have to search now for decent content. The recommendations part of YouTube just seems to give me old content or will show me things I've already watched. Despite it feeling almost user-hostile, I still use Youtube,

It's also filled with ads, sometimes as long as the video, it's insane

I'm either gonna drop youtube, or hope something like peertube starts to grow

Re: YouTube Just Ate TV. It's Only Getting Started

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Post by pixxel »

Melonai wrote: post #118
zingababba wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For me personally piracy made a comeback when everyone memory-holed "The Speech" episode from IT Crowd. I had even paid for it on a separate platform when Amazon removed it, only to find the platform I paid for it on removed it also. Say what you will about Graham Lineham, I still think it's one of the funniest IT crowd episodes, on par with "The Work Outing". I'd rather not have media I personally enjoy rug-pulled f…

Yeah Graham Linehan was a great comedy writer (past tense because I don't think he's writing more, not that he is a horrible writer now), and even though IT Crowd had some really weird episodes towards the end, it's really interesting to see how much his views shifted (in my biased opinion, for the worse) after the show was done. For people not in the know, Linehan is nowadays a very outspoken voice against "transgen…

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