Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lawyer's advice?
I would think "no comment" would be safer/smarter than "yeah, your kids are at risk of being shot by police by attending our school, deal with it".
Good point.
Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
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Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#112Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…
To be fair, at least you can choose not to wear the cargo pants. A friend of mine once got pulled aside for extra checks and questioning after he had already gone through the scanners, because he was waiting for me on the other side to walk to the gates together and the agent didn't like that he was "loitering" – guess his ethnicity...
How is it fair to say that? That's some "why did you make me hurt you"-level justification.
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#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Getting pulled aside by TSA for secondary screening is nowhere in the ball park of being rushed at gunpoint as a teenager and told to lay down on the ground where one false move will get you shot by a trigger happy cop that probably won’t face any consequences - especially if the innocent victim is a Black male. In fact, they will probably demonize the victim to find sn excuse why he deserved to get shot.
I wasn't implying TSA-cargo-pant-groping is comparable. My point is to show escalation in public facing systems. We have been dealing with TSA. Now we get AI Scanners. What's next? Also, no need to escalate this into a race issue.
Yes because I’m sure if a White female had been detected by AI of carrying a gun, it would have been treated the same way.
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#114>Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It's ok everyone, you're safer now that police are pointing a gun at you, because of a bag of chips ... just to be safe. /s Absolutely ridiculous. We're living "computer said you did it, prove otherwise, at gunpoint".
The safest thing to do is to pull all Frito Lay products off shelves until the packaging can be redesigned to ensure that AI never confuses them for guns. It's a liability issue. THINK OF THE CHILDREN.
The only thing that can stop a bag guy with Doritos is ...
Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#115> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…
>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.
I fully agree, but we also really need to get to a place where drawing the attention of police isn't an axiomatically life-threatening situation.
Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#116> Omnilert later admitted the incident was a “false positive” but claimed the system “functioned as intended,” saying its purpose is to “prioritize safety and awareness through rapid human verification.” It just created a situation in which a bunch of people with guns were told that some teen had a gun. That's a very unsafe situation that the system created, out of nothing. And some teen may be traumatized. Again, un…
>And some teen may be traumatized. Um. That's not really the danger here. The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed. That's not just a possibility. It's a certainty given the way the system is set up. This tech is not supposed to be used in this fashion. It's not ready.
> The danger is that it's as clear as day that in the future someone is gonna be killed.
This argument can be made about almost every technology, including fire, electricity, and even the base "technology" of just letting a person watch a camera feed.
I'm not downplaying the risks. I'm saying that we should remember that almost everything has risks and benefits, and as a society we decide for or against using/doing them based mostly on the ratio between those two things.
So we need some data on the rates of false vs. true detections here. (A value judgment is also required.)
Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#117Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…
Why don’t you pay the bribe and skip the security theater scanner? It’s cheap. Most travel cards reimburse for it too.
I'm sure CLEAR is already having giddy discussion on how they can charge you to get pre-verified access to walk around in public. We can all wear CLEAR certified dog tags so the cops can hastle the non-dog-tagged people.
Re: Armed police swarm student after AI mistakes bag of Doritos for a weapon
#118Walking through TSA scanners, I always get that unnerving feeling I will get pulled aside. 50% of the time they flag my cargo pants because of the zipper pockets - There is nothing in them but the scanner doesn't like them. Now we get the privilege of walking by AI security cameras placed in random locations, hoping they don't flag us. There's a ton of money to be made with this kind of global frisking, so lots of pr…
To be fair, at least you can choose not to wear the cargo pants. A friend of mine once got pulled aside for extra checks and questioning after he had already gone through the scanners, because he was waiting for me on the other side to walk to the gates together and the agent didn't like that he was "loitering" – guess his ethnicity...
> guess his ethnicity...
Not sure, but I bet they were looking at their feet kinda dusting off the bottoms, making awkward eye contact with the security guard on the other side of the one way door.
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#119Can someone write the novel
“Computer says die”
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wasn't implying TSA-cargo-pant-groping is comparable. My point is to show escalation in public facing systems. We have been dealing with TSA. Now we get AI Scanners. What's next? Also, no need to escalate this into a race issue.
Yes because I’m sure if a White female had been detected by AI of carrying a gun, it would have been treated the same way.
You have no evidence to suggest this, just bias. Unless you are aware of the AI algorithm, then it's a pointless discussion that only causes strife and conjecturing.