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Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by PeterStuer »

wolfi1 wrote: post #69
PeterStuer wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"5 or 6x the price they currently pay OVH" So they could have had 100% redundant systems at OVH and still be under half the cost of a traditional "cloud" provider? I would look at architecture and operations first. Their "main" node went down, and they did not have a way they could just bring another instance of it online fast on a fresh OVH machine (typically provisioned in a few minutes, assuming they had no hot st…

is it really redundant when you host at the same provider?

But that question remains the same whether you are renting bare metal or VMs. You can rent OVH servers located at different datacentres all over the globe, and their Cloud SLA has higher uptime guarantees than AWS (what that is worth depends on the value you place on an SLA ofc.)

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by CaptainOfCoit »

futurecat wrote: post #90

Questions for people who migrate off-cloud: 1. How many nodes do you have? 2. Did you install anything to monitor your node(s) and the app deployed on these nodes? If so, which software?

1. In total, maybe 10-15, but managing a lot of it for others, my own stuff is hosted across two.

2. Yes, TLDR: Prometheus + Grafana + AlertManager + ELK. I think it's a fairly common setup.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by fauigerzigerk »

nodesocket wrote: post #65

Saving $426/mo for a business seems like a waste of time and resources. The excessive frugal developer complex. How many hours did it take to do the migration?

Self-funded startups need to be frugal. And self-funded startups serving the not-for-profit sector in Europe need to be extra frugal.

The hours they put into not wasting money on AWS today could pay off many times if it makes their SaaS economically viable for their target audience.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by silexia »

At my home, I have the PUD fiber Internet with Starlink as the backup WAN. I have two non mission critical servers we were using on AWS for and I set up two old laptops locally to run. Saving $1,000 a month now. I am looking at my $4,000 a month of mission critical servers now.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by vidarh »

piokoch wrote: post #12

Well, from what see the authors exchanged AWS managed Kubernetes cluster with self-hosted Kubernetes cluster on Talos Linux. Question is if $449.50/month paid for AWS will cover additional work needed for self-hosting.

As someone who do consulting in this space, and has for a decade: Clients usually end up needing more help to run their AWS setup than to self-host.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by OutOfHere »

PeterStuer wrote: post #77
OutOfHere wrote: post #46

The part they never tell you is how Hetzner has a substantially higher unfair risk of account termination without warning. If you are okay with your account being terminated like that with zero notice or reason, then Hetzner is cheap.

Do you have a substantiated source for the "12x the unfair risk of account termination without warning". I tried looking for it but all I could find were unsubstantiated grapevine (I heard they ...) posts with lots of people stating the opposite.

Edited. Not only have I read numerous reports of it both on this site and on Reddit, but it personally happened to me around 2022. The number of such reports that I have read is easily 12x that of AWS. In contrast, AWS or any other cloud never did anything like this to me.

This is risked if the CPU or another resource is using close to 100% for a couple of months. Hetzner likes customers that pay for what they don't use.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by vidarh »

PeterStuer wrote: post #77
OutOfHere wrote: post #46

The part they never tell you is how Hetzner has a substantially higher unfair risk of account termination without warning. If you are okay with your account being terminated like that with zero notice or reason, then Hetzner is cheap.

Do you have a substantiated source for the "12x the unfair risk of account termination without warning". I tried looking for it but all I could find were unsubstantiated grapevine (I heard they ...) posts with lots of people stating the opposite.

They're cheap, so I'd expect they get a substantially higher proportion of users who might think their account termination is unfair, but that were actually flouting the rules, so I wouldn't be surprised if there were a higher proportion of claims of unfair account termination... I've recommended Hetzner to people since 2008-2009, and know lots of people who use it, and I've never heard first-hand accounts of termination of any kind. But anecdotes vs. data and all that.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by micw »

lisperforlife wrote: post #11

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

I have seen hetzners cloud block storage to be quite slow. It became soon a bottleneck on our timescale databases. Now we're testing on netcup.com's "root servers" which are VPS with dedicated CPU cores and lots of very fast storage.

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by chromehearts »

eahm wrote: post #39
lisperforlife wrote: post #11

I think you can get much farther with dedicated servers. I run a couple of nodes on Hetzner. The performance you get from a dedicated machine even if it is a 3 year old machine that you can get on server auction is absolutely bonkers and cannot be compared to VMs. The thing is that most of the server hardware is focused towards high core count, low clock speed processors that optimize for I/O rather than compute. It…

I recently rediscovered this website that might help: https://vpspricetracker.com Too cool to not share, most of the providers listed there have dedicated servers too.

Amazing website, glad to know that I already have a super great offer! But will definitely share this

Re: Migrating from AWS to Hetzner

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Post by webprofusion »

Context is important for stuff like this, I've served 350M requests (with db interaction) for $49 via cloudflare before, but it all depends what you're trying to do.

Abstracted infrastructure like Kubernetes is expensive by default, so design has an impact.

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