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Post by bentcorner »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #72
shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

I hate that all our favorite sci-fi books were used as manuals for what to build next, instead of trying to avoid creating those futures in our real lives.

A lot of aspirational tech was consumed by builders. I dare you to find a nerd who has watched Star Trek and hasn't once thought "wouldn't it be cool if I could interact with the computer with my voice", or "using touchscreens for everything looks so futuristic"?

And yet here we are complaining that our phones are over-listening to us and our cars no longer have knobs.

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Post by Mtinie »

CaptainOfCoit wrote: post #96
andrepd wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many people (including in this website) are hard at work creating the torment nexus.

No doubt. The question is, is that the explicit goal, and if so, why? And if not, don't they consider the effects of their actions, if they aren't, why?

At this point, the path from what these teams of people are building to dystopian outcomes is well-mapped. Whether it’s an explicit goal is irrelevant because if you can reasonably foresee the harm and proceed anyway, you’re making a conscious choice to enable it.

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Post by hopelite »

pjmlp wrote: post #97

Look the outcomes from past history to understand how future will become. Sadly it is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

I am not sure how that would be helpful, regardless of how you mean that. Nothing in the past has ever even gotten remotely close to what even exists today, let alone what will exist in all of our lifetimes, no matter how old you are.

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Post by throwway120385 »

InsideOutSanta wrote: post #93
endymion-light wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In reality - I think this will be far worse than that. Why send in an expensive soldiers or a cop when you could just filter in a drone

"Just trust us, the people on that boat were definitely smuggling drugs."

"The guys we blew up with a drone were definitely jihadists."

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Post by pjmlp »

hopelite wrote: post #115
pjmlp wrote: post #97

Look the outcomes from past history to understand how future will become. Sadly it is only going to get much worse before it gets better.

I am not sure how that would be helpful, regardless of how you mean that. Nothing in the past has ever even gotten remotely close to what even exists today, let alone what will exist in all of our lifetimes, no matter how old you are.

I am quite sure there are a few lessons from the past that can be used to guess where current administration is going.

Then is up for the citzens to let it happen or react.

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Post by plasticchris »

somenameforme wrote: post #75
nrjames wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When a man murdered a woman in front of my house last year, our Ring camera's photos of his car led to his arrest within 24 hours, so not entirely useless?

I think a good thought experiment to consider, in terms of defining what your own views are, is to consider that if every single person had a mandatory 24/7 uplinked camera on them with redundancies, then the number of unsolved crimes would rapidly approach zero. It would be essentially impossible to get away with crime, so the only crimes that would happen would be those of passion, ignorance, or the political elite…

The trouble is, there would also be no unsolved thought crimes

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Post by throwway120385 »

nerdponx wrote: post #77
shrubble wrote: post #43

When you take this info and combine it with the ability of Wifi7 routers to "see" where people are in their house, you realize that the recent demo of Anduril's helmet that gives an information display that the soldier/cop wearing it can use to "see who is in the house" or "see around corners" etc. is not sci-fi but instead, something they can do today.

Pros: potentially greater safety for police and EMS when dealing with touchy people, obvious benefits for fire rescue (assuming it works in a fire). Cons: use your imagination.

The police have a very safe job, generally. They've done studies and construction workers have a much higher rate of injury and death than the police in the US. People have this idea that being a police officer is really unsafe and that they're throwing themselves in the line of danger just by doing their jobs, but most people are law-abiding and civil. There are people who are not, but that's not a good reason for the police to pretend like nobody is.
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