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How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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Apparently Persian and Russian are close. Which is surprising to say the least. I know people keep getting confused about how Portuguese from Portugal and Russian sound close yet the Persian is new to me.

I thought I was the only one who perceived an audible similarity between Portuguese and Russian.

I am native Russian speaker, and work/visited Portugal. It definitely tricks me when not paying attention, its very similar sounding

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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I tried the oracle and got this: > Your accent is Dutch, my friend. I identified your accent based on subtle details in your pronunciation. Want to sound like a native English speaker? I'm British; from Yorkshire. When letting it know how it got it wrong there's no option more specific than "English - United Kingdom". That's kind of funny, if not absurd, to anyone who knows anything of the incredible range of accents…

I agree there is no such thing as a "British accent", though I'm lucky that my mockney lilt is considered to be one, but Dutch, Danish and Yorkshire are very similar for historical reasons so it's somewhat understandable for you to be detected as Dutch in this app. I find Danes speaking Danish to sound like a soft Yorkshire accent, and the vowels that Yorkies use are better written in Danish, like phøne.

Well in Danish e's at the end of words aren't silent, so you may get som føni results:)

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

#113

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I'm also deaf, and I took 14 years of speech therapy. I grew up in Alabama. The only way you would know I'm from the South is because of the pin-pen merger[1]. Otherwise, you'd think I grew up in the American Midwest, due to how my speech therapy went. Almost nobody picks up on it, unless they are linguists that already knew about the pin-pen merger. [1] https://www.acelinguist.com/2020/01/the-pin-pen-merger.html

I’m aware of the merger, but I literally can’t hear a difference between the words. I certainly pronounce them the same way. I also think merry-marry-Mary are all pronounced identically. The only way I can conceive of a difference between them is to think of an exaggerated Long Island accent, which, yeah, I guess is what makes it an accent.

They are the same phoneme for me in US Eastern suburbia, the only difference is in a subtle shift in the length that you drag it out. "merry" is faster than "marry" which is sometimes but not always faster than "Mary". Most UK accents seems to drag the proper name out an additional beat, and for some of them there's a slight pitch shift that sounds like "ma-ery", at its most extreme in Ireland (this is one early shibboleth by which I recognized Irish people before I really picked up on the other parts of the accent).

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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post #38

Going mono-tonal to that of an expressive ebook increased my "American English" score from a 52% to 92%. I'd suggest training a little less on audio books.

What does it mean mono-tonal and what is an expressive ebook? I assume you are not American born? I had been of the understanding that rythm was more important than the exact sounds in comprehension.

He's saying to read it like Jeff Hays not Travis Baldree

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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The fact that they believe there to be a single 'British' accent means this can be quickly discounted as nonsense.

I mean, if you want to be like that, you could generalize that statement to "the fact that they believe there to be a single `$LANGUAGE_OR_REGION` accent means this can be quickly discounted as nonsense". Other languages, and other varieties of English, have regional variation as well, after all--although in the case of other languages, I'll grant that the accents of, say, two German speakers from different regions might not be as distinct from each other in English as they are in German.

At any rate, I was looking forward to finding out what the accent oracle thought of my native US English accent, which sounds northern to southerners and southern to northerners, but I guess it'd probably just flag it as "American".

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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I'm deaf. Something close to standard Canadian English is my native language. Most native English speakers claim my speech is unmarked but I think they're being polite; it's slightly marked as unusual and some with a good ear can easily tell it's because of hearing loss. Using the accent guesser, I have a Swedish accent. Danish and Australian English follow as a close tie. It's not just the AI. Non-native speakers of…

Wow, I'm not deaf, but almost everything you mentioned applies to me too. I've never met anyone else who has experienced this before, yet all of your following points apply exactly to me: > standard Canadian English is my native language > Most native English speakers claim my speech is unmarked > Non-native speakers of English often think I have a foreign accent, too. Often they guess at English or Australian. Like…

I'm a maritimer and I'm constantly getting asked if I'm from South England, even by brits them self.

More bizarrely? Locals often assume I'm not from around here as well. I actually don't understand it.

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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I thought I was the only one who perceived an audible similarity between Portuguese and Russian.

I had that too but it was Brazillian Portuguese where I noticed it.

The characteristics that make pt-PT sound similar to Russian are largely absent in pt-BR.

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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post #49

I'm deaf. Something close to standard Canadian English is my native language. Most native English speakers claim my speech is unmarked but I think they're being polite; it's slightly marked as unusual and some with a good ear can easily tell it's because of hearing loss. Using the accent guesser, I have a Swedish accent. Danish and Australian English follow as a close tie. It's not just the AI. Non-native speakers of…

> AI also really has trouble with transcribing my speech. I noticed that as early as the '90s with early speech recognition software. It was completely unusable. I don't know what your transcription use cases are, but you may be able to get an improvement by fine-tuning Whisper. This would require about $4 in training costs[1], and a dataset with 5-10 hours of your labeled (transcribed) speech, which may be the bigge…

We have a PWA for this at:

https://www.psyome.com/annotator

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

#119

The Australian-Vietnamese continuum is well-explained by Australia being the geographically nearest region which can supply native English language teachers to English language learners in Vietnam, rather than by any intrinsic phonetic resemblance between Vietnamese and Australian English.

+1

Re: How AI hears accents: An audible visualization of accent clusters

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We are working on this - we don't have quite enough Irish speech data.

How do you know? Your “UK” set is liable to have some Irish accents in it. You need to break down regions more

Exactly - by "data" I meant labelled Irish speech.

>>You need to break down regions more Yes we do; shipping this soon

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