Supporting it is important so we have an alternative to GNOME/GTK
GNOME ruined my Linux experience, I'm no fan of the tablet/smartphone UX spreading to desktop
KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
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Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
Same, I've using GNOME for a long time and haven't switched yet out of laziness and being busy with other things, but the next time I have to upgrade my laptop I'm giving KDE a spin, I'm tired of GNOME replacing useful features with... nothing. They deprecate something and replace it with an app that looks sleek because it has no buttons, and it has no buttons because it has none of the features that I use. And this…
It's not just worse. It's MUCH worse. I'm in the same boat. I want to change but I don't know what to and haven't had the energy to put into that yet. This desktop is dead though and they're just beating it's dead corpse at this point. I've tried KDE a few times and it was just too disorganized for me, so I might just do something simpler like awesome or one of those tiling things and add in what I want. I used to ju…
It’s far from dead. Take a look at the gnome circle apps as a demonstration of how many good applications are being written for gnome these days.
I believe a large part of this is due to the fact that to use QT you are still stuck with either C++ or Python, whereas there are a ton of gnome apps being written in JS and Rust now.
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…
It’s the default because it’s much easier to provide a consistent desktop with gnome compared to KDE. Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. Even Firefox uses gtk. So you can make KDE the default but you’re going to be forced to ship a smattering of gnome/gtk apps anyway with different ui/ux and looks. On the other hand, you can easily ship a GNOME desktop without even shipping qt libraries at all.
> Let's face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK.
My only dependents of GTK are Qalculate, Chromium and Firefox. I do not use the GTK version of Qalculate (but the Arch package includes it anyway) and I would never count modern web browsers as having a significant dependency on any UI toolkit. Am I missing out on a high quality Linux desktop experience?
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#114I'm absolutely loving KDE since I returned to desktop Linux after a long absence. What really shocks me is how few of the big distros make KDE a default or "first class" DE choice. If I was a novice user coming from Windows, I'd much prefer KDE, which if you stick to the GUI is very navigable and similar in some ways.
I second this. Once and once again I saw new distros being created, some with quite ambitious goals for the desktop, and then crippling themselves by choosing Gnome. I have nothing against it, but it seems to me clearly inferior in functionality and customizability.
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gnome UI sucks. It is ugly and non-customizable without plugins, or whatever you call that addon that enables you to put your clock on the right... I'm sure the UI makes more sense on a tablet or a phone with touch controls, but I just want to use it on my laptop with a regular monitor and with a mouse (or touchpad). KDE has sane defaults and looks and feels like Windows UI from the best era. It just works.
"It just works" is the important part. The style doesn't matter a whole lot if things aren't working right. Is this other guy's comment about GTK not a real problem? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45581866
I don't understand that comment. The K-suite of apps is just as comprehensive as the G-suite of apps - most people don't really care or notice anyway. No, I did not notice that Firefox uses GTK - seriously, who cares, and it is even shipped as a snap or flatpak. (I would even say that Qt is far more capable and developer friendly than GTK, so I'd pick Qt over GTK _any time_.)
There is one app that I installed recently, that used GTK and I noticed it - the ProtonVPN Connect UI, it looks a bit funny, but integrated seamlessly in the whole system (KDE) including the tray icon. It just works. What is the problem?
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#116I'm absolutely loving KDE since I returned to desktop Linux after a long absence. What really shocks me is how few of the big distros make KDE a default or "first class" DE choice. If I was a novice user coming from Windows, I'd much prefer KDE, which if you stick to the GUI is very navigable and similar in some ways.
Does not make any sense to me either
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#117I'm absolutely loving KDE since I returned to desktop Linux after a long absence. What really shocks me is how few of the big distros make KDE a default or "first class" DE choice. If I was a novice user coming from Windows, I'd much prefer KDE, which if you stick to the GUI is very navigable and similar in some ways.
I can easily see a novice user coming from Windows accidentally getting into the edit mode of Plasma and being completely confused. I like KDE as an advanced user but I wouldn't install it on my grandma's laptop. I agree that it would be great to have it as a first-class citizen in more distros, but I guess the maintenance burden is not negligible. I'm glad Fedora promoted it though.
20 years ago, my late dad (then aged 69) had a desktop PC that couldn't run Windows anymore in his store business.
Problem solved: Installed the latest Slackware stable (with yours truly as root for essential maintenance) equipped with the latest KDE 3.x environment. Had no complaints.
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#118My dream is that The Qt Company will make some monstrous deal with the EU and all the licensing will become 100% opensource while they will be tasked and paid to maintain it longterm and work on it.
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
GNOME essentially gutted itself when it switched away from GNOME 2. Somehow they still stuck around as a broken default. Go figure. IIRC, then a lot of documentation still mentions GNOME first and then KDE second. Furthermore, Ubuntu without the prefix is GNOME. Kubuntu is KDE. And all the others like Lubuntu, etc. all seem "special" to casual users. Think of what the average university student installs in a VM, when…
It’s the default because it’s much easier to provide a consistent desktop with gnome compared to KDE. Let’s face it, most quality Linux desktop apps use GTK. Even Firefox uses gtk. So you can make KDE the default but you’re going to be forced to ship a smattering of gnome/gtk apps anyway with different ui/ux and looks. On the other hand, you can easily ship a GNOME desktop without even shipping qt libraries at all.
I would argue it's the other way round. :)
Even GIMP, the one GTK app I would never expect to be surpassed by a KDE app, is being outdone by Krita these days.
Re: KDE celebrates the 29th birthday and kicks off the yearly fundraiser
#120Works like a charm. Powerful when needed. Thanks, KDE, looking forward to the next 29 years.