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Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by heavyset_go »

tirant wrote: post #34
heavyset_go wrote: post #22

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It's just capitalism

This has nothing to do with capitalism. This is pure government intervention in a global market where other competing governments (China) are extremely interventionist already. Capitalism != Free Market

It's just capitalist governments doing capitalist things like the bidding of the owner class, as they've always done. There's never been a time that capitalist states didn't appropriate property from one party in order to give it to the wealthy. Calling this "clepto capitalism" is a distinction without meaning.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by markus_zhang »

HSO wrote: post #106
yoavm wrote: post #85

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So what exactly are you learning in this case from the actions, the data, the private citizens or the scholars, that is so different from "Western" explanations?

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I think that's fine. High politics is always very nasty, and any written contracts are supposed to be teared apart. I think the elites of whatever countries are mature enough to eat it.

Regarding us, the human resources, it is irrelevant however we think.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by markus_zhang »

maxdo wrote: post #84
HSO wrote: post #66

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EU and west finally TRYING to protect their market the way China is doing it all the time. They tax, ban, espionage everything beneficial to their society. China would do it without a blink.

Well if I'm from EU and if I know my government doesn't do espionage and all sorts of nasty things, I'd really be very worried. They (the government and its agencies) are supposed to do the nasty jobs, and it is very incompetent if they don't do so.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by reliabilityguy »

mk89 wrote: post #86
maxdo wrote: post #84

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EU and west finally TRYING to protect their market the way China is doing it all the time. They tax, ban, espionage everything beneficial to their society. China would do it without a blink.

They would, they do and they did it. But we called them communists for doing so. ;)

> But we called them communists for doing so. ;)

What?

They view themselves as communists. Moreover, all these policies have nothing to do with communism.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by HSO »

corimaith wrote: post #95
mk89 wrote: post #86

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They would, they do and they did it. But we called them communists for doing so. ;)

Economic Nationalism is not Communism by any sense. Nor is responding to mercantilism. But the CCP explicitly considers themselves Marxism-Leninism with and their internal beliefs and government structure is structurally follows that. We consider them Communists and they consider themselves Communist. They do not consider us Communist and we don't either. You're trying to create a false conflation here and stir divis…

> the CCP explicitly considers themselves Marxism-Leninism with and their internal beliefs and government structure is structurally follows that.

> they consider themselves Communist. They do not consider us Communist.

And you know all this because of your deep study, in the original language of course, of the CPC, their internal factions, and the collected writings in their leading policy journals, I assume, yes?

Or dare I even ask did you get this from some 250 word limit editorial in the "wall street journal"?

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by corimaith »

dmix wrote: post #68
VagabundoP wrote: post #27

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I think its fine to have national and strategic interests. China isn't someone that you can just trust, they are exporting to Russia on the sly and therefore supporting war in Europe because it suits them.

> and therefore supporting war in Europe because it suits them. FWIW, EU countries are still sending more money to Russia for oil than they send Ukraine in aid. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/24/eu-spends-more... Modern global economies are complicated.

This is a tired talking point. If the EU stopped those imports abruptly they'd blow up their own economies and there would be chaos on the streets.

It is stupid that they put themselves in that position, but they've also greatly reduced their dependency as the war progressed.

With the current trade war and their own domestic troubles, China cannot afford to alienate other foreign markets, hence why this is the prime time to drive concessions against them.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by NicoJuicy »

em-bee wrote: post #63
NicoJuicy wrote: post #28

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Germany implemented something similar like this after China took over Kuka (industry leading robotics) and practically build an entire industry of robotics in China after that. And of course, the jobs disappeared from Germany.

the jobs didn't disappear (yet). they grew from 13.000 in 2014 before midea took over to 15.000 in 2024. maybe they could have grown more in germany if midea hadn't taken over. who knows.

There are only about 3200 jobs in Augsburg (Germany), it's HQ?

https://www.marketscreener.com/quote/stock/KUKA-AG-436260/ne...

Note: Looking for more information about the distribution of jobs atm ( countries). But it's hard to find. Any resources?

But you're right. They still have jobs there, I didn't knew that.

Note: This is about the law Germany created afterwards: https://www.akingump.com/en/insights/alerts/germany-tightens...

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Post by awesome_dude »

walkabout wrote: post #45
tmnvix wrote: post #17

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> For context, the law that allows this all to happen was passed in 1952 and has never before been used. Interesting parallel here with China recently invoking - for the first time - their own legislation from the 50's to ban rare earth exports for military uses.

Probably not an awesome sign if multiple actors are invoking never-used laws that were created while WWII was still fresh on everyone's mind.

s/while WWII was still fresh/the cold war was

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by Sammi »

mk89 wrote: post #86
maxdo wrote: post #84

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EU and west finally TRYING to protect their market the way China is doing it all the time. They tax, ban, espionage everything beneficial to their society. China would do it without a blink.

They would, they do and they did it. But we called them communists for doing so. ;)

You're not a murderer for killing in self defence. You are allowed to defend yourself.

Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia

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Post by corimaith »

jaccola wrote: post #51
q3k wrote: post #37

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Just the religious belief that The Free Market will solve everything on its own and there should be no attempt to interfere with it.

I never understood this, I believe very strongly in the free market, but only where there is a free market. Of course you can let the free market run free up to the border of e.g. the US but surely it won't solve international trade since many countries do not have a free market. Unless we agree some international rules such that the boundary of the free market "sandbox" becomes the earths borders. It's why I also th…

You are 100% correct. Free Trade hasn't been disproven, only the inane notion that one should pursue unreciproval free trade with a countries that perform mercantalism against them.

The consumer isn't everything, the worker does matter just as much.

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