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Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by TaupeRanger »

ckosidows wrote: post #97
TaupeRanger wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

“I’ll do something which might be beneficial or harmful to me (I don’t know) and if given evidence of harm (likely never) I’ll stop doing it.” Ok…have fun I guess.

The person you responded to didn't say anything about harm to themselves. They said there's nothing stopping them from donating even though they're aware of the PFAS contamination in their area. And from what I understand, PFA contamination has no bearing on whether or not you can donate.

The post implied that doing a “blood oil change” was potentially a good thing. My point is, we don’t know either way, because a study hasn’t looked at that question for health outcomes. It could be doing more harm than good, the parent commenter doesn’t know.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by nradov »

mort96 wrote: post #24
spockz wrote: post #8

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The lower blood pressure I can explain by having a lower volume of blood. But the glucose and cholesterol have to go somewhere. Where do they go? Are they filtered in the process after blood letting?

If it's in the blood, doesn't it just leave the body together with the blood?

There is very little glucose in circulating blood at any given time. Unless you have severe uncontrolled diabetes (or a similar condition) your body regulates blood glucose level within a low, narrow range. Most glucose is stored in the muscles and liver as glycogen.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by nradov »

mkoubaa wrote: post #12
Tarsul wrote: post #6

This is (probably) not a Long Covid story but I found that bloodletting (for which I even received money!) gave me back the energy that I was missing for the last few years (e.g. it was impossible to build stamina). I also read about a study about the positive effects of bloodletting[1] that somehow is not all the rage in mainstream news, which I find perplexing. If it might be so easy to improve your health (for som…

If this were the case you could do a natural study on this by comparing menstruating women with the rest of the population

There is a significant difference in the rate of major adverse cardiac events between menstruating women versus men and post-menopausal women, even after controlling for age and other factors. The periodic blood loss might account for at least part of the difference although the exact mechanism of action hasn't been clearly established. So it's possible that donating blood (or bloodletting in general) could have a preventive effect.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by nradov »

astura wrote: post #76
jtbayly wrote: post #15

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This has been done. Women seem to have certain health benefits that stop after menopause. Reading about it was the first time I wondered whether blood letting made sense.

God, this is so ignorant, the hormonal changes (loss of estrogen) are the cause of increased risks for heart disease and osteoporosis and changes in metabolism post-menopause. Nothing to do with not physically losing blood, FFS.

There are likely multiple causal factors behind the health differences. Hormonal changes are one piece of the puzzle but so far no one has conclusively proved that physically losing blood has zero effect. The research just hasn't been done yet so we can't definitively say one way or the other.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by xienze »

traceroute66 wrote: post #87
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #10

The paper claims that 1/5 of people experience Long COVID after an infection. Given that approximately everyone has caught COVID by now, this does not track with how rarely I've heard of people with it. Wikipedia lists much lower numbers on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID (6–7% in adults, ~1% in children, less after vaccination.) and seems to use a more liberal definition than this paper, as it mentions "Mos…

> What's going on here? Perhaps its a reflection of how hard it is to get the medical community to take Long COVID seriously ? I would say there is more chance of them (sadly) telling you to go home, take a couple of paracetamol and get some rest. Or if you're lucky, they might mis-diagnose you with something else.... (No first-hand experience here, just going by one or two anecdotal stories I've heard on the grapevi…

> Perhaps its a reflection of how hard it is to get the medical community to take Long COVID seriously ?

Well let’s think about why. You’ve got an illness (Long COVID) that you can’t detect and manifests itself in a myriad of ways, most of which are very vague and subjective (“brain fog” or “I can’t exercise as much as I used to”) and also not detectable.

Is it any wonder doctors might think of it as today’s fibromyalgia?

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #10

The paper claims that 1/5 of people experience Long COVID after an infection. Given that approximately everyone has caught COVID by now, this does not track with how rarely I've heard of people with it. Wikipedia lists much lower numbers on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID (6–7% in adults, ~1% in children, less after vaccination.) and seems to use a more liberal definition than this paper, as it mentions "Mos…

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Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by onlypassingthru »

withinboredom wrote: post #110
hbs18 wrote: post #109

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You live in a very different world compared to one before antibiotics.

If death were so guaranteed from injuries, I doubt we’d have survived as a species.

Before the discovery of antibiotics, chopping it off was the usual standard of care for serious infections.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by swed420 »

Llamamoe wrote: post #103
swed420 wrote: post #80

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> Additionally, a lot of those numbers are based on earlier strains of COVID, which were much more severe. Long COVID associated with SARS-CoV-2 reinfection among children and adolescents in the omicron era https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3... (The same omicron era the media originally claimed was "not as bad as previous variants." Perhaps not in the acute phase, but as we've seen, that's t…

There's more to air quality than HEPA filters. In-line far UV sterilisation, ventilation to reduce rebreathing and CO2 levels, and HEPA might not be enough as a single-building intervention, but it would almost definitely change disease spread dynamics if deployed world/nation wide.

> There's more to air quality than HEPA filters.

Agreed. In fact, even before COVID this was long overdue to be addressed in classrooms etc:

> ventilation to reduce rebreathing and CO2 levels

Unfortunately since that hasn't happened yet, methods like:

> In-line far UV sterilisation

> HEPA

are not effective. It isn't that they don't kill/stop the virus. The problem traces back to the inadequate forced air exchange and distribution which these methods require, and which is often a show stopper when you're talking about retrofitting existing structures without costs becoming insane. At a certain point it's easier to build new with these things in mind (and we absolutely should be taking requirements to do so more seriously).

> might not be enough as a single-building intervention, but it would almost definitely change disease spread dynamics if deployed world/nation wide.

The point of the previously linked study is to demonstrate that "something is better than nothing" reasoning doesn't always apply. We need to go big to see an actual measurable improvement over longer time spans. Otherwise, what's the benefit seen if you delay an average (but inevitable) infection from occurring by X days? There basically is none.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by Tade0 »

onlypassingthru wrote: post #117
withinboredom wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If death were so guaranteed from injuries, I doubt we’d have survived as a species.

Before the discovery of antibiotics, chopping it off was the usual standard of care for serious infections.

It didn't always have to turn into an infection as there are plenty folk methods of preventing that from happening used throughout history - from wound cauterisation to my regional bread + spiderwebs.

The latter was given a scientific explanation in modern times: the webbing contains live penicillium fungi in quantities sufficient to act against microbes.

Re: Quantification of fibrinaloid clots in plasma from pediatric Long COVID patients

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Post by swed420 »

j45 wrote: post #100
tgsovlerkhgsel wrote: post #10

The paper claims that 1/5 of people experience Long COVID after an infection. Given that approximately everyone has caught COVID by now, this does not track with how rarely I've heard of people with it. Wikipedia lists much lower numbers on https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Long_COVID (6–7% in adults, ~1% in children, less after vaccination.) and seems to use a more liberal definition than this paper, as it mentions "Mos…

With the math of reinfection, and percentages generally being lower than reality, long COVID is likely much more common and widespread in more people than not.

Agreed.

https://old.reddit.com/r/ZeroCovidCommunity/comments/1o40bpc...

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