w00t! Billion dollar lawsuit! Seriously how else can a watch company make big bucks today?
By selling luxury watches to Chinese millionaires.
Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
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Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#112The Swiss had the right idea, but they made a crucial mistake in their implementation: they completely missed that people might want to look at the watch while on the move, and opted for a stationary, heavy and immobile implementation.
By putting it onto a small, portable device, Apple arguably added the crucial ingredient to make it a mass success (billions of users instead of a few Swiss citizens, who even have to be forced by their government to use it).
So I think Apple added the most important aspect to the mix and should therefore be considered the inventors of the clock design.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#113No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Sorry, I don't understand the satire here. It sounds like you're mimicking the response to claims that Apple stole designs from Braun? But the two situations are nothing alike -- cribbing industrial design elements from defunct products is a far cry from duplicating a trademarked image more or less exactly. It seems more likely you're trying to dig on Apple for going thermonuclear on trade dress while at the same tim…
And the funny thing is
Mondaine clocks may be good for a train station, where they are meant to be read at a distance, by people with less than 20/20 vision
But it doesn't present any real advantage on an iPhone
Too much skeumorphism again
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#114The Swiss had the right idea, but they made a crucial mistake in their implementation: they completely missed that people might want to look at the watch while on the move, and opted for a stationary, heavy and immobile implementation. By putting it onto a small, portable device, Apple arguably added the crucial ingredient to make it a mass success (billions of users instead of a few Swiss citizens, who even have to…
Your arguments are invalid:
1. Swiss people are not forced to use the railway, the literally love it. Also the design was licensed by other European railway companies e.g. Deutsche Bahn
2. You can already buy mobile devices (watches) and even a licensed iOS mobile app with the design. E.g. the German edition http://www.bahn.de/bahnshop1435/shopxml/design/zeitzeichen/a... or the Swiss original http://www.sbbshop.ch/pub/index.php?page=goods&c=8&l...
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm pretty sure you can buy them from inside the SBB ticket centers, but you can at least buy wrist watches from mondaine: http://www.mondaine.com/mondaine/ edit: Looks like you can buy the wall clocks online from SBB itself http://www.sbbshop.ch/pub/index.php?page=goods&c=8&s...
They do not start/stop.
Dealbreaker :(
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#116The Swiss had the right idea, but they made a crucial mistake in their implementation: they completely missed that people might want to look at the watch while on the move, and opted for a stationary, heavy and immobile implementation. By putting it onto a small, portable device, Apple arguably added the crucial ingredient to make it a mass success (billions of users instead of a few Swiss citizens, who even have to…
Your arguments are invalid: 1. Swiss people are not forced to use the railway, the literally love it. Also the design was licensed by other European railway companies e.g. Deutsche Bahn 2. You can already buy mobile devices (watches) and even a licensed iOS mobile app with the design. E.g. the German edition http://www.bahn.de/bahnshop1435/shopxml/design/zeitzeichen/a... or the Swiss original http://www.sbbshop.ch/pu…
Yeah, but those are not really digital, so they are irrelevant.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#117No, no, no you guys don't understand. This is not a cheap rip-off. It's an homage and the Swiss will be honoured that their famous clock has been elevated to the high-art status of Apple design and innovation. The critical eye of an average iPhone user will appreciate the fine craftsmanship & precision of the painstaking work that went into translating the iconic clock into an exact digital replica.
Please let the Swiss speak for themselves as to whether they are honored or offended by this. There's nothing more annoying than having somebody else tell you how to feel about something.
For my part (and I'm Swiss, for what it's worth) I appreciate the homage; though I fully understand SBB/CFF's need to protect the trademark. These clocks in Switzerland are iconic and immediately associated with the SBB/CFF. Much like Apple needs to protect its trademark & trade dress in order to remain full owner, SBB/CFF must protect its design.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#118Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think hypocrisy is used most often when there's no consensus whether some beliefs are bad, and supporters of one view use hypocrisy of supporters of the other to make an argument. When someone says "murdering people is OK" and then doesn't murder - nobody is going to accuse him of hypocrisy ;)
Many people accused Hitler in hypocrisy. Then he killed itself. Sorry, it's a horrible and non-factual joke. But your theory is still wrong. There is consensus in society that racism is bad and racist with friends of other race is a classical example of hypocrisy. And if by lack of consensus you mean existence of other view then murdering example is wrong because it suppose lack of consensus and your theory is tautol…
If someone thinks of himself as racist, then he probably don't think racism is bad, so there's no consensus.
EDIT: eh, I've read your post again and I'm wrong, you're right, it's the same situation.
But is racist with with friends of other races really classical example of hypocrisy? I hadn't encountered it (but I live in monocultural country).
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#119It't not just a copy it's a bad copy.
The small second markers seem to collide with the neighboring bigger 5-second markers. While the original design keeps an equal white-space between the markers, which leads to differing angles between the markers centers. Apple has all the same angles, not differentiating between the big and small markers which lead to this crammed looking version.
[EDIT, got curious and started measuring] Apparently I was wrong, the angles are also all the same (6 degrees) in the original. But still, optically the space between the hour and adjacent minute markers looks way better in the original.
Re: Apple accused of ripping off famous Swiss clock design
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think hypocrisy is used most often when there's no consensus whether some beliefs are bad, and supporters of one view use hypocrisy of supporters of the other to make an argument. When someone says "murdering people is OK" and then doesn't murder - nobody is going to accuse him of hypocrisy ;)
It's not. Saying that everyone should murder (all the time), and not doing it, would be hypocrisy. But yeah, you're right. People would probably be distracted by the whole "murder" thing. Even if there's no consensus on whether some beliefs are good or bad, such as in politics, doesn't hypocrisy show some sort of "character flaw" in the perpetrator? It's dishonest to push views you don't hold yourself, or rules you d…
Yeah, my bad, your example is better.
Regarding showing dishonesty - yes, but "supporters of X are dishonest" is "ad personam" - that's poor argument.
Better to use hypocrisy to show "even supporters of X don't really believe their view is right, so it probably isn't".