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Re: Gem.coop

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Post by mijoharas »

ishouldbework wrote: post #107
ramon156 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson…

Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.

Have you got any references for this claim?

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by bronson »

ishouldbework wrote: post #102
hiimkeks wrote: post #26

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If who you vote for will put me into a torture camp (or otherwise devalues my life or personhood), then I can't work with you, so no it is not irrelevant. (neither the "me" nor the "you" here refer to you or me personally ofc.)

"will put me into a torture camp" for sure, but "devalues my life or personhood" is pretty vague. So, for example, if I value guns and consider them necessary for my well being and personal safety, should I refuse to work with anyone who votes for increased gun control? This sounds like a recipe for very fragmented, unstable society.

If gun owners are being denied health care or being told who they can marry ("it's illegal to marry a fellow gun owner"), then yes, they'll probably want to avoid anyone wretched enough to advocate that.

Short of that, it's NBD right? Not really comparable.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by x3n0ph3n3 »

mijoharas wrote: post #68

So, ignoring everything that got us here, what do people think about this? As I see it, there is the original rubygems, which has lost all of it's maintainers, and this new one, that has most of the original active maintainers? (how many were there before? it has most of the ones I think about, but I didn't know who was active over there. I mostly saw activity from deivid and didn't know about most of the others to b…

I'm starkly opposed to this ridiculous fragmenting of the community. They can and should all go work out contribution agreements with RubyCentral and get over their egos.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by busterarm »

directionless wrote: post #64

Given some of the ways Andre Arko gets described (See https://justin.searls.co/posts/why-im-not-rushing-to-take-si... for a recent overview) I'm a little wary of what the motivation behind this is.

To take the maximally negative view of things:

    - uv is a cool tool, but Astral has signaled their intention to have it tie in nicely to paid services.
    - that's a nice moat!
    - Andre & friends saw that in the Python community (and uv's success) and decided they could do the same for Ruby
    - Their collective announces rv and now wants to make us dependent on them & friends for Ruby Gems.
    - After Hashicorp and others, I'm extremely wary of orgs luring me in with free shit.  Hashicorp is maybe the lightest example of this but they're very intentional about enterprise-walling business-essential features.
    - I don't want the Ruby ecosystem dependent on one party or even a tiny collective of people.  This is just as bad to me as the Ruby Central situation right now.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

IshKebab wrote: post #60
sad-pack wrote: post #24

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"I care about Ruby and want it to die…” “I try to discourage them because I don’t want more Ruby code in the world…” I wouldn't bother replying to that account, it's not arguing in good faith. Ishkebab has stated many times its goal is to kill ruby and its community. It's commenting here to stir things up. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43331847

> It's commenting here to stir things up. I'm not. It's true that I dislike Ruby and prefer everyone would abandon it, but that's orthogonal to the issue we're discussing. In fact I'm saying that the Ruby community is being stupid and shooting themselves in the foot by characterizing relatively mainstream right wing views as "extremism". If I was being disingenuous I should really encourage this schism! > It Dunno if…

> relatively mainstream

This doesn't preclude extreme. Not commenting on whether the community's is shooting themselves in the foot or not, just that the reason provided is not a good one for believing so.

> If I was being disingenuous I should really encourage this schism!

I do not think that you are necessarily being disingenuous but misunderstanding the difference of opinion in this way actually seems to encourage said schism.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by mrisoli »

ramon156 wrote: post #48
simianparrot wrote: post #35

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What does “fash problem” mean?

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson…

He doubled down on his opinion by sharing a sequence of posts from a X account that denounces "woke activism" in the software industry and open source projects. He criticised the political activism in open source projects, then, ironically, suggested Palmer Luckey should step in to steward NixOs.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by ishouldbework »

bronson wrote: post #112
ishouldbework wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"will put me into a torture camp" for sure, but "devalues my life or personhood" is pretty vague. So, for example, if I value guns and consider them necessary for my well being and personal safety, should I refuse to work with anyone who votes for increased gun control? This sounds like a recipe for very fragmented, unstable society.

If gun owners are being denied health care or being told who they can marry ("it's illegal to marry a fellow gun owner"), then yes, they'll probably want to avoid anyone wretched enough to advocate that. Short of that, it's NBD right? Not really comparable.

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Re: Gem.coop

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Post by salzig »

Just a thought of mine: why don’t we switch fully to git? Commit signing, tag signing, Decentralize. Doesn’t that sound like a good alternativ?

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by directionless »

kimos wrote: post #66
directionless wrote: post #64

Given some of the ways Andre Arko gets described (See https://justin.searls.co/posts/why-im-not-rushing-to-take-si... for a recent overview) I'm a little wary of what the motivation behind this is.

This reads like a hit piece based on a personal vendetta. I'd be careful how much weight to give this.

TBH the whole thing is pretty opaque. There are a lot of accusations floating around. It's pretty easily to capitalize on "Big evil shopify is making a takeover", but I suspect there's a lot more happening behind the scenes.

Re: Gem.coop

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Post by busterarm »

ishouldbework wrote: post #107
ramon156 wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's some weird opinions coming from mostly DHH. My personal take is that they're blatantly racist, but everyone can have their own Here's some fun facts: - DHH enforced a "No Politics at Work" policy. - DHH wrote a post expressing that he wouldn't want to live in London anymore because it's "no longer full of native Brits", and expressed support for a Tommy Robinson march he called "heartwarming". Tommy Robinson…

Cannot speak for the US, but in Europe immigration is connected to crime increase in general. The Ukraine refugees are one of few statistical exceptions.

I think a lot of people are forgetting or at least choose to ignore that DHH is Danish (and specifically a Danish expat) and is probably more inclined to have controversial views on immigration from majority Islamic countries. That's not to give his statements a pass, but to give them some needed context.

And no, I'm not saying that Danes are racist.

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