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Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Funny, because the same thing happened in Nepal a few weeks ago. Protestors/rioters burned some government buildings, along with the tech infrastructure within them, so now almost all electronic data is gone.

Would this have been any different if these documents were stored non-electronically though? I understand that the whole point of electronic data is that it can be backed up, but if the alternative were simply an analog system then it would have fared no better.

It would have been better if storage was distributed.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

I know there is legit hate for VMWare/Broadcom but there is a legit case to be made for VCF with an equivalent DR setup where you have replication enabled by Superna and Dell PowerProtect Data Domain protecting both local and remote with Thales Luna K160 KMIP for the data at rest encryption for the vSAN.

To add, use F710s, H710s and then add ObjectScale storage for your Kubernetes workloads.

This setup repatriates your data and gives you a Cloud like experience. Pair it with like EKS-A and you have a really good on premises Private Cloud that is resilient.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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It's hard to believe this happened. South Korea has tech giants like Samsung, and yet this is how the government runs? Is the US government any better?

The US government still relies heavily on physical records.

Didn't Elon shut that down?

[0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2025/02/13/company-ripped-by-elon-musk-...

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Funny, because the same thing happened in Nepal a few weeks ago. Protestors/rioters burned some government buildings, along with the tech infrastructure within them, so now almost all electronic data is gone.

Happened in Bladerunner too

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

Because these companies never lose data, like during some lightning strikes, oh wait: https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-33989384 As a government you should not be putting your stuff in an environment under control of some other nation, period. That is a completely different issue and does not really relate to making backups.

For this reason, Microsoft has Azure US Government, Azure China etc

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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It's hard to believe this happened. South Korea has tech giants like Samsung, and yet this is how the government runs? Is the US government any better?

Samsung's software is generally terrible; they're decent at hardware, not software.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you expect government IT in a hierarchical respect-your-superiors-even-when-wrong society to be competent?

I mean...I feel you but holy hell dude. Nothing ? Boggles the mind. Edit: my bad backups in the room is something, somehow just forgot about that part

It wasn’t nothing. They had backups, according to yongjik above.

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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> However, due to the system’s large-capacity, low-performance storage structure, no external backups were maintained — meaning all data has been permanently lost. Yikes. You'd think they would at least have one redundant copy of it all. > erasing work files saved individually by some 750,000 civil servants > 30 gigabytes of storage per person That's 22,500 terabytes, about 50 Backblaze storage pods. Or even just mir…

It's even worse. According to other articles [1], the total data of "G drive" was 858 TB. It's almost farcical to calculate, but AWS S3 has pricing of about $0.023/GB/month, which means the South Korean government could have reliable multi-storage backup of the whole data at about $20k/month. Or about $900/month if they opted for "Glacier deep archive" tier ($0.00099/GB/month). They did have backup of the data ... in…

How does this even make sense business wise for AWS?

Is their cost per unit so low?

Re: Fire destroys S. Korean government's cloud storage system, no backups available

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The government official who insisted that commercial AWS/GCP/Azure couldn't possibly be trusted with keeping the information will be keeping their head low for a few days then... "The Interior Ministry explained that while most systems at the Daejeon data center are backed up daily to separate equipment within the same center and to a physically remote backup facility, the G-Drive’s structure did not allow for extern…

Agree completely that it's absolute wild to run such a system without backups. But at this point no government should keep critical data on foreign cloud storage.
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