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Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by R0flcopt3r »

microtonal wrote: post #69
JimDabell wrote: post #56

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I’m not sure I’ve seen an app plummet in quality as much as 1Password. I used to recommend it to everybody and switched multiple employers to it. Now I actively recommend against it. It wasn’t just abandoning native, somehow they make it worse with every release.

It is sad how far 1Password has fallen. AgileBits used to be a Mac shop and 1Password was a great Mac application. One and a half decades later, they are slow to roll out a fix for what was their initial platform (paying Mac users made them big). Also, it has become insanely buggy. Like autofill breaks for weeks for me every now and then, usually the extension is not able to connect to the 1Password app anymore (rebo…

I'm a little shocked, as my experience with 1Password across Android, iPad, Linux, macOS, kubernetes, commandline has been absolutely fantastic. I've been using it every day for the last four years or so in pretty much all of the above settings.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by Razengan »

m-schuetz wrote: post #101
Razengan wrote: post #64

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> It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw Electron ""apps"" were are and will always be the issue. Don't bundle a whole freakin web browser and ravish my battery and RAM just to show me a damn text box. A text box that won't even have all the built-in OS features or accessibility. Downvote this to hell but Electron is a crutch for lazy Frankensteins looking for lightning to revive a monster that should hav…

Dev UX is important, and the dev UX of Electron is pretty much unmatched. If you want people to not use Electron, you'll need to provide an alternative that makes it just as easy to develop sophisticated, platform-independent applications. Otherwise, no amount of complaining about Electron will ever stop devs from using Electron.

You sort of have a point, but users shouldn't have to pay the price for better UX for devs, the companies making operating systems should.

Even non-power users pay the cost, they just don't realize it yet.

But as long as users still need Apple/Microsoft/Google's platforms to be able to run Electron apps, those corps won't care, specially if it takes devs away from the toolchains controlled by them.

Maybe if someone can come up with a pure Electron OS that can run on any device, it might force Windows/Apple/Android to agree on a universal native UI API?

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by willtemperley »

nebula8804 wrote: post #88
concinds wrote: post #79

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I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

They have like ~15% market share. Thats really tiny after all these years. I bet those people are mostly people who have been burned by Windows. What do you expect them to go to? Linux?

I find the stats vary wildly. I'm seeing it's up to 31% in the US [1].

https://www.computerworld.com/article/1624976/statcounter-da...

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by willtemperley »

Kwpolska wrote: post #89
concinds wrote: post #79

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I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

Too many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.

This was clearly a vendor bug though.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by cpursley »

raspasov wrote: post #98
cpursley wrote: post #95

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Are you implying that in order to turn a profit you need to install the Zoom app? Or that they are collection data to turn a profit.

Yes, to convert a certain segment of our customers. They like to meet via zoom - and thats the best way I’ve found to demo our product. The web app just doesn’t cut it from the presenters side.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by quitit »

curtisblaine wrote: post #97
richrichardsson wrote: post #94

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I honestly can't figure out why people upgrade to the latest x.0.0 release of macOS. Wait for the x.1.0 : by that time Apple have fixed most of their bugs and software vendors have had time to do their side too.

Because Apple nags you to do that via OS popups

I must have the very secret iOS and macOS versions which specifically require major updates be selected for installation otherwise it only continues to offer the minor updates for my current version.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by jen20 »

lenkite wrote: post #85
jen20 wrote: post #10

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The number of major companies doing half-assed javascript bullshit instead of proper native macOS apps is ridiculous. This did remind me to go cancel 1Password though, something I'd been meaning to do since they switched _to_ electron...

Both MS and Apple have screwed up. WinUI3 is simply terrible and SwiftUI is a horrible headache. Is there any wonder that people are mass migrating to web frameworks ?

It’s not surprising, but the reason it isn’t surprising is abject lack of respect for users rather than framework complexity.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lowmagnet »

Spunkie wrote: post #15

In general the Tahoe update has been awful for all my end users that decided to update. It's not just electron apps that are the issue btw, just yesterday we ran into an issue with Zoom. It was breaking prompts/popups and by extension the system settings, the Mac app store, iTouch, and a ton of other random stuff was broken in silent and inconsistent ways. Also all my 8gb users are noticing significantly higher memor…

It made my menu bar transparent until you click an item in it, rendering it useless on my black background.

Re: Track which Electron apps slow down macOS 26 Tahoe

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Post by lowmagnet »

Kwpolska wrote: post #89
concinds wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I suggest that everyone here stop submitting Feedback Assistant/Radar reports. Let teenagers, college students, adults and old people buy a new Mac, experience the bugs and lack of polish and let it affect Apple's brand, consumer's preferences, and their market behavior. Apple is too big to care about anything other than market consequences. Apple is fully aware that no one likes the Radar system, that no one feels t…

Too many Apple users consider Apple to be holy and will blame app vendors for OS bugs.

When said app authors use a private library that a Apple asked them to not use, is it really wrong to blame them?
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