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Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by array_key_first »

keanb wrote: post #90
moomoo11 wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is it true there like 15 Million undocumented people in the country? I thought there were like 1 million max.

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The problem isn't the undocumented people or how many we have, the problem is the rampant disinformation and populist messaging around them.

Basically, we can trivially tap into the human mind's natural inclination for tribalism and use undocumented people as a bargaining chip. We can tell people that THEY cause this problem and that problem, because THEY don't share our values, our skin, our culture, our mindset.

It works extremely effectively because:

1. Everyone likes to hear that they're not the ones causing problems, someone else is.

2. Humans naturally segregate based on commonalities. So people are in one group, and undocumented people in another. Sure seems like us versus them then.

3. The solutions are simple, so people have high confidence in them. Build a wall. So simple and easy, a toddler can understand that! Whether it works is not relevant.

4. Americans already have a strong sense of national identity.

5. The economy and perceived economy/QOL is actually in trouble, so we have legitimate justifications for our populist messaging.

But, had it not been undocumented people, it would've just been something else. We know that because we do see it successfully, time and time and time again, for other groups.

Trans people. That's another one that is in use today, right now, for populist messaging and it's highly effective.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by mzajc »

sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

For a more proactive approach, browse https://news.ycombinator.com/active to catch these kinds of stories. As far as I know, it ignores flags completely.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by conception »

Dig1t wrote: post #67
MandieD wrote: post #32

Yeah, that's some Gestapo level business... or since they don't like that word, Stasi. As in, there were loads of people in the DDR (East Germany, 1949-1989) whose job it was to read people's personal mail, along with the network of neighborhood snitches.

Reading public posts on a website is not the same as reading people’s private mail though. Not really an equivalent comparison IMO.

Hey, aspirations gotta start somewhere!

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by conception »

rockercoaster wrote: post #38
jinushaun wrote: post #6

It’s pretty clear that ICE is the seed of a paramilitary force.

I fully expect to see them take on more and more roles that e.g. the FBI traditionally performed. The strategy appears to be to expand, empower, and control them as the "MAGA law enforcement agency" and bypass all the rest, either seconding them to ICE or diminishing them to a tiny role. Look to see them expand to general "counter-terrorism" enforcement in the near future, with only the barest veneer (if that) of its…

Also, considering https://www.aclu.org/know-your-rights/border-zone that’s the right group legally speaking to use to get around constitutional issues.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by Refreeze5224 »

fzeroracer wrote: post #23
jinushaun wrote: post #6

It’s pretty clear that ICE is the seed of a paramilitary force.

Given their recent actions in Chicago and elsewhere, it's clear they already are a paramilitary force.

And just in case people scrolling by haven't heard about the atrocities ICE has committed in Chicago, they were, quite literally, zip-tying naked children. They raided a residential building, detained multiple US citizens, wasted tax payer money, all to arrest a group of people who are statistically less violent than actual citizens.

And if anyone is still under the illusion that this is about "law enforcement" or "immigration", this should be a giant waving red flag that it's about racism and authoritarian control.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by deeg »

xyzelement wrote: post #109
mediaman wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Federalist papers, Thomas Jefferson, and the Supreme Court as recently as 2008 have all identified the right to bear arms as a mechanism for protection against a tyrannical state. It's surprising as a 2A supporter that you seem unaware of why the amendment exists. Is that true, or is there something more here?

The leap you are making is that citizens perceive immigration enforcement as tyrannical.

They should. The president posted today on his official account [1] that ICE (among other law enforcement) should arrest anyone burning the flag, an act recently affirmed by SCOTUS to be legal. That has nothing to do with immigration enforcement. Sounds like jack booted thugs to me.

1 - https://bsky.app/profile/dbernstein.bsky.social/post/3m2d7z7...

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by colechristensen »

1659447091 wrote: post #105
colechristensen wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A key lesson is that there is always a large proportion of the population which will cheer this kind of action. You can't lay blame on the people doing this and feel like you're done. Unfortunately they're always going to exist. You have to lay blame on the people defending against them. They failed in their defense and here we are. The difficulty in stopping it scales with how long you let it fester. Last time it wa…

Instead of this "lay[ing] blame" nonsense, we focus on owning our own personal responsibility and build from there. Without that solid foundation everything else eventually crumbles and we are no good for ourselves -- let alone others

My personal responsibilty involves holding the representatives I voted for accountable for their actions... or lack thereof and to call out anyone with the "we didn't do it, we were helpless to do anything" attitude.

Re: ICE Wants to Build Out a 24/7 Social Media Surveillance Team

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Post by Gud »

sgnelson wrote: post #107

And of course it's flagged. Because the use of technology built from companies funded by VC has nothing to do with Hacker News and Ycombinator. Dang and company are such a joke (yes, that's a direct violation of the rules, maybe it'll get their attention) for allowing these sorts of stories to be flagged. The idea that this is only about "politics" or it's "controversial" and thus should be hidden from view is such a…

We need a diverse set of online communities again.
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