But then it goes all Black Mirror, with manufacturers restricting solar-panel operation to approved devices only, and UIDs being used to enhance shareholder value through recurring subscription revenue.
Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
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Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
In the Corvette community, using a higher octane fuel on hotter days is well known to prevent ping.
I'm surprised the Vette doesn't call for high octane all the time. It's common for high compression engines.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#113Earlier quoted context omitted.
Obviously you include everything, otherwise it wouldn't be a maximum. You can define a minimum temperature for this, of course, but the customer should know about it.
There's no theoretical maximum voltages for solar panels like there kind of is for batteries. They're just giant array of photodiodes and they just generate whatever voltage potentials proportionate to amount of lights received. You could produce a "max voltage flying low earth orbit over Gobi with no shadows from Starlinks" value, but that's just the value for circumstantial most absurd situation you happened to hav…
The open-circuit voltage depends mostly on the structure of the solar cells and on the temperature. It has only a very weak (logarithmic) dependence on the amount of light received.
The voltage that you measure at the output depends on the open-circuit voltage, on the amount of light received and on the amount of current that you draw from the panel.
The maximum open circuit voltage for a solar cell is easy to estimate, because it happens at the minimum temperature for which it is designed and the maximum solar illumination. It can be exceeded only using a light concentrator that projects on the panel light collected from a much greater area.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
High voltage, low RDSON FETs are (slightly) more expensive, and these products are cheap. A better design would use a higher-voltage rated input switch with poor (slow) switching performance, like an IGBT. Don’t design critical infrastructure around EcoFlow hardware.
Fujitsu, which sells MOSFETs for this application, writes: "Firstly devices should be rated at 600V or 650V, as this will generally provide more than adequate protection against the threat of high voltage transients."[1] That's a nice big safety margin. It should hold until the voltage monitoring shuts the whole thing off. Not seeing UL certification on this thing. If we're going to have US protectionism against Chin…
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
To me, 220 sounds 20 like lower than 240. I have a hunch that this might be a common perception.
Really? I have all sorts of electronics that say everything from 208V - 240V that all go in the wall, so I think all those numbers are probably close to each other in whatever a volt is. I think if I'm worried about a limit of some kind, being within 5% of that limit seems like I might as well be over-limit if the commonly seen distribution I see in my house is greater than 15%
The margins are generally lower for higher power devices because the electronics are more expensive. Thankfully these electronics in general are becoming cheaper which is one reason why they’re ending up in the hands of people inexperienced with them.
Also try to tell someone they need an extra 30% in margin and often they'll think they’re being upsold.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
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#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
I believe the vendor here produces both the device and the panels being plugged into it, and while they also supply other vendors' panels, they seem concerned primarily with customers who buy all components from them and then experience this failure. I agree the labeling is an issue here, but the solution must come from the wider industry or regulatory bodies; the alternative is for vendors to switch to their own pse…
Why not label the panel with the maximum possible voltage that it can produce? Or even have a little table showing the maximum possible voltage at various ambient temperatures. It's not as if there isn't room on the back of the panel for a big enough label.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#118Cool article. The real solution to this is have huge arrays in the desert and move the energy north, which is 100% possible.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is 100% on the manufacturer if they intentionally chose to highlight the "best case" 150V, rather than the 120V lower end. Especially without any additional safety mechanisms.
The article presents it oddly, it's not that the converter maximum input gets lower, it's the solar panel output that gets higher from the nominal quoted value (which is not a maximum, and not really intended to be used as such). Derating your converter is equivalent for the purposes of ensuring margins, but it implies the issue is in the wrong place.
Re: Solar panels + cold = A potential problem
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Considering the electric code has an 80% rule for loads, anyone assuming they can use 100% of what is on a label probably should not be doing electrical work.
Very true. My computer says 240V on it, so I should only use it up to 192V.
Typical house wiring is required to handle 600v due to voltage transients and wear and tear.
So any component rated to 240V dc will fail immediately on AC, and even 400-500V DC is not a good idea.
I guess there is a reason there is a whole category of engineers for this kind of thing.