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Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

jeroenhd wrote: post #55
cenamus wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Further forcing everybody to have their phone on person at all times

Depending on the implementation, you can run the app on your computer. I don't see why the iOS app wouldn't work on macOS, and there are tons of tools to run Android apps on Windows and Linux. If the actual implementations do copy the dependency on Play Integrity and other such APIs, that does become a problem (getting past that is a major annoyance on amd64 computers because there are so few real amd64 Android devic…

Waydroid on linux comes to mind. It sort of semi worked out of the box on archlinux but I can't try to imagine setting up somewhere else..

Wait a minute, while writing this comment, I realized that there was a guy who sort of packaged waydroid into flatpak-ish to run android apps in flatpak.

https://flathub.org/en/apps/net.newpipe.NewPipe

(It uses android translation layer??)

I am not an EU citizen but if somebody is & they want this age verification app on desktop, maybe the best way might be to support this android translation layer to convert this EU app into something that can run through flatpak and then use linux I suppose.

I mean, some of y'all are so talented that I feel like surely someone would do it if things do go this way! So not too much to be worried about I suppose :>

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by logifail »

j0057 wrote: post #82
bilekas wrote: post #3

This is a great example of how this whole requirement hasn't been properly thought out. > Desktop support is not currently within the project's scope. What I would like to take from this is that, by their own definition, desktop apps are out of scope for Age Verification. So does that mean we will see a return of the 'desktop applications' instead of everything being a web service ? One can dream perhaps. Until then…

> Also this will completely disable any new phone OS' being developed. Why would anyone bother when you can't verify your wallet to do anything online. This already the case today, you can't run your bank's app or government eID apps on anything but Google or Apple devices.

> you can't run your bank's app

I can log in to my bank account using my desktop PC

> government eID apps

I can sign into government websites using my desktop PC and its smart card reader and my government-issued eID smartcard. No smartphone needed.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by fithisux »

whatevaa wrote: post #60
mrtksn wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

App not available doesn't mean age verification not required. You can be required to confirm your account from your mobile phone or scan some QR code on mobile that will take you to age verification session and once completed you can continue from the desktop. I mean, otherwise would be like not being bound to speed limits if you don't have a speedometer.

So a loss of mobile phone will mean loss of everything? Maybe we should just kill people if they lose a portable mobile device which can just stop working by itself? I fully expect there to be some idiotic scenarios where to get x, you need to already have x.

They will terrorize us like that and then, they will use implanted chips. One primary one backup. It is extremely rare to lose both. Possibly the primary will be in your head.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by Imustaskforhelp »

hellojesus wrote: post #57
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The wallet app can be started using a QR code. You can then finish the verification on your phone and continue on the desktop website/app/whatever.

What if you don't have a phone? Or what if your phone runs a custom rom and can't pass google's attlestation?

"Google, google everywhere. It's attestation is gonna be a nightmare."

Idk I created this just right now lol.

But on a serious note, Maybe check out my comment on something known as the android_translation_layer with flatpak to see if that might help to run that app atleast in linux.

Linking it here : https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45361397

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by fithisux »

disruptiveink wrote: post #45
baq wrote: post #5

This is hardware attestation in a nutshell: a double edged sword, and a sharp one at that. The biggest issue is that the attestation hardware and the application client is the same device with the same manufacturer, who also happens to have a slight conflict of interest between monetizing customers and preserving any sort of privacy. IMHO the pro-attestation forces are so overwhelming that we should all cherish the m…

The insane question here is, why would the EU mandate hardware attestation controlled by two private American companies in order to access services? That seems completely contrary to the spirit of EU laws and regulations, which tend to be about protecting the consumer, preventing monopolies, ensuring people can generally live their lives where all things that are mandatory are owned and ran by the state and foster a…

Do you believe they care for EU? The driving forces are other.

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by everdrive »

jeroenhd wrote: post #64
dvdkon wrote: post #51

I finally took a look at the DSA, and it only mentions anything relevant to age verification in three places: - Recital 71, which vaguely suggests minors' privacy and security should be extra-protected, but says that services shouldn't process extra personal data to identify them. - Article 28, which says that platforms should provide a high level of "privacy, safety, and security of minors", again without processing…

The digital identity wallet isn't part of the DSA; it is part of an effort to bring identity to your phone, basically: https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX%3A... If implemented according to plan, things like ID cards, drivers' licenses, diplomas, train tickets, and even payment control can be handled within such apps entirely digitally. Aside from age verification, with attribute based authentica…

> can be handled within such apps entirely digitally.

_Can_ be handled? So you could still just use traditional physical, paper IDs?

Re: EU age verification app not planning desktop support

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Post by debazel »

ToucanLoucan wrote: post #107
snickerdoodle14 wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can I do this when I don't have a phone?

Don't you people have phones? Edit: Sorry that reference was a deep cut, I was quoting the devs of that awful Diablo mobile game way back.

A phone isn't enough, you need an Apple or Google account as well. So if your Google account gets banned, you might as well just jump of a bridge because it's over for you.
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