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Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by IncreasePosts »

edent wrote: post #110
IncreasePosts wrote: post #107

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By that standard, wouldn't DHH say that you're trying to kill him and people like him? Has he used his power to demand that people that share your viewpoints aren't platformed at tech conferences?

No. I am not advocating violence against him. I am not trying to get him thrown out of his home. The thing is, DHH can really easily stop being racist. Then people won't complain when he's invited to speak. But the people he is complaining about cannot change their skin colour. They cannot change their nationality (according to him). The people DHH support are advocating violence. They aren't asking politely for peop…

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Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by baggy_trough »

edent wrote: post #70
cyberpunk wrote: post #66

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Don't you realise this cuts both ways though? Your views are abhorrent to them, why are theirs worth less than yours? For sure I don't agree with those people, but they absolutely have the same rights as we do to have their own opinions. Trying to silence them just makes you as bad as they are. We can't change the current state of global discourse, but we can each be more tolerant of each other and that starts with o…

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance

It's kind of amazing when leftists post this unironically, given recent events.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by projectazorian »

simianparrot wrote: post #106
throwawayqqq11 wrote: post #90

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I am not a propnent of cencorship or loose labeling as nazi etc. too. Identity politics is unfortunately also part of the left, which allows right wing media to manipulate the gullible by mis-portraying the left with dislikeable stereotypes of LGBTQ/communism/violence etc. > we have enough of this So do i. But what to do about it? Having a clear, open and hopefully constructive conversation about > we need to reduce…

It's for similar reasons that frustrate you that I responded like I did: I am so _so_ tired from years and years of bad faith arguments where I will spend a great deal of time and energy to lay out detailed explanations, and the opposite party will respond with minimal energy, preconceived talking points, ignoring all of it. We find ourselves in a prisoner's dilemma when it comes to debates around this topic (and man…

> if such a culture takes in too many immigrants of religions with complete counter ethical and moral views (I won't name names, use your imagination)

What parts of Islam are "complete counter ethical and moral views" to Christianity? As far as I can tell there's no inherent incompatibility, as demonstrated by the many contemporary and historic examples of Muslims and Christians coexisting peacefully. It's attitudes like this that drive vulnerable people to gangs and extremist ideology, causing the issues you see today in some - not all - Western societies.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by simianparrot »

AlexeyBelov wrote: post #108
simianparrot wrote: post #23

And this type of person seems to be exactly why Ruby Central did what it did: To save the projects from being misused as protest tools by histrionic people that make sweeping derogatory remarks about other people whose benign opinions they dislike. I am not affiliated with either “side” so I allow myself this small outburst of my own because I see no receipts and the tone of this blog post set the stage for it.

> I am not affiliated with either “side” Then why are you carrying water for exclusively one "side"?

I made up my own independent opinion. I’m not affiliated with any side, I just happen to personally agree with one side’s actions this time.

Do I have to be neutral?

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by projectazorian »

AOE9 wrote: post #97
frozen_tomato wrote: post #95

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So you at least agree he's racist then?

Sure, just struggling to understand how to get to fascist.

The EDL is basically a union of street thugs, fascist politicians who split off from the BNP, and political opportunists like "Tommy Robinson".

Fascist is an accurate enough term for their politics, the stated political positions may not align 100% to historical fascism, but given all the fascist associations most objective observers would say that's likely to be a product of political positioning rather than any genuine ideological differences.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by projectazorian »

AOE9 wrote: post #109
mijoharas wrote: post #105

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Defence_League#Relatio...

So has he ever expressed anti-democratic ideas? Such as wanting a dictatorial leader, autocracy etc that kind of is a key component of fascism.

Fascists tend to downplay that part of their ideology until they're in power. Even the Nazis did this to some extent.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by edent »

IncreasePosts wrote: post #111
edent wrote: post #110

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No. I am not advocating violence against him. I am not trying to get him thrown out of his home. The thing is, DHH can really easily stop being racist. Then people won't complain when he's invited to speak. But the people he is complaining about cannot change their skin colour. They cannot change their nationality (according to him). The people DHH support are advocating violence. They aren't asking politely for peop…

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You know he doesn't live in London, right?

No one is "replacing" him.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by benmmurphy »

cyberpunk wrote: post #60
edent wrote: post #43

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Eh, maybe I would actually. Firstly, I don't give enough of a fuck about what any individual thinks and I certainly don't do background checks on conference speakers. Secondly, where do you draw the line? Shop workers? Hair dressers? Your taxi driver? Many of those in the country in which I am an immigrant would gladly forcibly deport me and separate me from my family; but I don't run scared enough of them to try to…

I think democracy and the market are amazing tools. We can strongly disagree with people but are able to peacefully choose how we are governed without resorting to violence and then we are able to peacefully trade and exchange with people we otherwise hate to our mutual benefit. This is an amazing piece of technology that makes the world a much better place but people seem very determined to throw it away.

Re: Ruby Central Is Not Behaving in Good Faith, and I've Got Receipts

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Post by benmmurphy »

edent wrote: post #38
sto11z wrote: post #33

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That is not true, the phrase is non-native brits, and that is very different to what you wrote.

Do you really think he's complaining about the white Aussie bartender who comes over here?

Maybe not Aussie bartender but even a lot of typically 'white' Europeans have very different cultures than English and Australian. For example when it comes when it comes to punctuality or queuing. Even stuff like how contracts are treated can be very different depending on the culture. DHH is Dutch and maybe closer to English culture than Italian/Spanish/French.

EDIT: removed unnecessary trailing inflammatory comment

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