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Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by yupyupyups »

lordnacho wrote: post #30

What I don't understand is, why don't the authorities think the actual bad guys will avoid the surveillance? It seems to me that organized crime will find their own solution, and the rest of us will occasionally have a snooping policeman checking our private messages. It's not unknown, even in Denmark, that people who are given access to private data will abuse it, eg snooping on ex girlfriends, that kind of thing. W…

Edward Snowden reported that some NSA officers were routinely watching and sharing people's private nudes.

It's more than just "snooping occationally". Government officials are at the end of the day strangers, and it's not their business spying on people's private lives. Not only do they intend to infringe upon our privacy in one of the most intrusive ways possible, but also at gunpoint. Think about that.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by int_19h »

adventured wrote: post #70
lucketone wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Denmark is the embassy of American NSA in Europe.

Europeans don't get to blame the US for this. Chat Control is being widely pushed. The Europeans get to take responsibility for their own authoritarianism.

The ruling elites on both sides of the Atlantic have been pushing for something like this for a long time now. It's not an either-or - they are mutually reinforcing.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by int_19h »

AAAAaccountAAAA wrote: post #69
Bender wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the internet will route around it How will the internet route around client side scanning? Some here will not be affected but I suspect the masses would have a harder time assuming they are even aware that cell phones, Windows recall and Mac mediaanalysisd are performing scans. Most people do not install custom phone OS images.

> Most people do not install custom phone OS images. They might start to do, if governments become so obnoxious with their surveillance, that it somehow makes life inconvenient for regular people. However, then governments will start to block the network access for "uncertified" devices and software, or even to restrict the access to general-purpose computers altogether. That's why it is better to defeat this politic…

It doesn't make life inconvenient for most people though. Even in places like Russia and China most people aren't running custom phone OS images.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by dkga »

stephen_g wrote: post #86
Sharlin wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The text, of course, excludes politicians and other important people(tm) from being monitored.

Just making sure everybody realises (because the comment sounds a tad sarcastic), but that comment is completely true - the politicians have quite seriously exempted themselves and certain types of people.

What other certain types of people?

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by int_19h »

jMyles wrote: post #24
hkon wrote: post #4

Does anyone really think it won't pass?

In the legislative sense, it might eventually pass. As has happened in every case so far (with increasing intensity and ease), the internet will route around it.

Someone who needs to route around censorship in Russia today needs to be fairly technically proficient; I wouldn't say there's any "increasing intensity and ease", quite the opposite. The holes are getting narrower, and the effort needed to use them properly gets higher.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by dkga »

I think the Swiss ought to be very scared as well. Lived there for many years and for some reason every website I visited was following EU rules when servicing Switzerland visitors. Maybe they can’t technically separate what’s what, or choose to do this, but if Chat Control passes then essentially all of Swiss messaging (and Liechtenstein’s) gets to be overseen too.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by int_19h »

wkat4242 wrote: post #73
zzzeek wrote: post #21

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You know this stuff is being pushed on us by the US right? Palantir, Thorn etc. Besides your privacy was already moot was proven by Snowden. They're just less transparent about it.

C'mon, there's no shortage of European politicians who sleep and dream of Stasi powers. So long as they get to be the Stasi.

Re: Denmark wants to push through Chat Control

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Post by int_19h »

maxdo wrote: post #103

You westerners are way too delusional about the world we’re living in. I just had a conversation with American colleagues about life in Europe. And the things that stood out were “cookies policy,” trash recycling, and such trivialities. Meanwhile, Europe is already at war. China openly wants to dismantle the good life Americans take for granted. Their news is full of militaristic propaganda, day after day. This isn’t…

> If your adversary monitors and you don’t, you’re already in a losing position.

You can make this same argument about any authoritarian or totalitarian policy.

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