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Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by privatelypublic »

diftraku wrote: post #80
privatelypublic wrote: post #59

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One of their digital lock designs had a rather cough Pleasing vulnerability. But other than that it's vendor lock-in (heh), and lack of availability in the US. With most so called locksmiths being drillsmiths in the US, not being able to clone DD and dimple keys. Puck one. Or maybe the OP is just bitter they can't pick it for their next "belt" after getting chuffed with themselves picking average american garbage.

> One of their digital lock designs had a rather cough Pleasing vulnerability. I'm assuming you're referring to the VingCard vulnerability from 2018? ( https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-43896360 ) Digital locks aside, this is more applicable to any lock you buy and rely on (substitute US with your local region): > lack of availability in the US I wouldn't go out of my way to find something like Schlage here, when A…

No, there was a vending machine smart lock that if you hitachi'd it right it'd unlock.

And, I phrased it wrong: most people expect to be able to walk into lowes and clone a key. And while it seems assa has been on a buying spree since I last looked at them, I do not associate them with anything you'd be able to find at big box store. When I think assa abloy I think "you better have the key card or you're SOL."

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by jmhammond »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #96
noodletheworld wrote: post #74

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I unironically look forward to the world where this is solved by unsupervised AI agents incrementally upgrade these apps to keep them evergreen... ...and the Lovecraftian gradual drift as incremental recursive hallucinations turn them into still... mostly working... strange little app-like-bundles of Something Weird.

I don't know why I have to take a selfie of myself to start my washing machine. I also don't know why it requires me to stare at it for 30 seconds afterward, or the machine shuts off. The face is my own, for the first 15 seconds or so, but then it's not. I've checked, it's a pixel perfect copy, it's not being slowly adjusted as I watch it, but for the rest of the day, the face I see in the mirror isn't my own, either…

This made my day. Thank you for this Lovecraftian horror!

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by m463 »

gblargg wrote: post #20
theamk wrote: post #10

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it's worse than that - those locks are bluetooth-based, so they don't care about the cloud. What happened is that they are disabling the app, so it is no longer usable.

So many of the smart apps won't even launch without an Internet connection (i.e. connection to their cloud services), even if you just want to control local Bluetooth devices.

friend got a canon camera. you can install the canon app to use bluetooth/wifi to transfer the photos to the phone. At some point the app went from thre app allowing limited permissions to insert into camera roll, to full permissions to access all photos on the phone.

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by m463 »

thrashwerk wrote: post #98
gblargg wrote: post #20

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So many of the smart apps won't even launch without an Internet connection (i.e. connection to their cloud services), even if you just want to control local Bluetooth devices.

I hate that. I recently bought a G-Shock watch, it can connect to your phone via Bluetooth, it was a selling point but may be convenient to sync the time with a quick connection. First, the G-Shock app displayed a prompt that it won't work with animations turned off which is just baffling. I have them disabled in Android settings under accessibility options because I find them frivolous. Then with the animations enab…

Bought a garmin watch. You can use it entirely offline. It is a refreshing alternative to all other watches.

That said, they are putting some functions behind the garmin connect app, which is troubling.

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by com2kid »

dsr_ wrote: post #95
com2kid wrote: post #47

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My Lockly lock supports a complete offline setup, no phone required to register finger prints or setup PIN codes. I believe I can even turn off the BT completely if I so desire. It is just exactly smart enough for my liking.

My house lock doesn't have an online mode. It has to be programmed by visiting physically, unlocking it, and then you have to stand there and touch it for a while in order to remove or activate a code. In other words, it only supports two features that a keyed lock doesn't: 1. a keyholder can't lose/forget the key 2. keys can be disabled without the expense of replacing the whole lock core Since the purpose of a hous…

The lockly model I have is the same, no cloud features.

You can configure it using the keypad or using an app over BT, that is the primary difference between it and a completely self contained device.

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Post by haltcatchfire »

m463 wrote: post #114
thrashwerk wrote: post #98

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I hate that. I recently bought a G-Shock watch, it can connect to your phone via Bluetooth, it was a selling point but may be convenient to sync the time with a quick connection. First, the G-Shock app displayed a prompt that it won't work with animations turned off which is just baffling. I have them disabled in Android settings under accessibility options because I find them frivolous. Then with the animations enab…

Bought a garmin watch. You can use it entirely offline. It is a refreshing alternative to all other watches. That said, they are putting some functions behind the garmin connect app, which is troubling.

Even worse is that they are pushing their subscription service now, Connect Plus…

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by btreecat »

z3ugma wrote: post #27

Ugh, I'm so incensed. This is the 2nd IOT product in my home getting bricked within 2 months. This is one of the reasons I am working on an enclosure-compatible open-source version of the 2nd gen Nest thermostat over at https://sett.homes/ . It reuses the enclosure, encoder ring, display, and mounts of the Nest but replaces the "thinking" part with an open-source PCB that can interact with Home Assistant. Nest has be…

Honestly I found the "smart" parts of my nest to be pointless once I connected it to HA.

I have automations, sensors, and weather in HA.

I'm looking at moving to a zwave thermostat now. I wouldn't have gotten the nest but it was a (re)gift and I didn't want it to go to waste.

Now Google made it waste.

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by polygloty »

542354234235 wrote: post #108
komali2 wrote: post #50

I never understood the smart lock. Some other connected appliances make sense - HVAC for example. But unlocking my door with a key is such a trivially easy, failure-proof thing to do, and every smart lock I've ever seen so riddled with failure modes, that it boggles my mind anyone would go through the cost and effort to install.

I've had a key break in a deadbolt lock before. I can go running without carrying keys. I can assign a temp code to my pet sitter/handyman/whoever without having to police up keys or worry about keys being copied. I know when and which code is used, in case of an incident (none so far). My partner has lost 3 mailbox keys and zero house keys (since there is no house key). My door auto locks, and forgetting to lock you…

Time to upgrade to "smart" partner

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Post by z3ugma »

btreecat wrote: post #117
z3ugma wrote: post #27

Ugh, I'm so incensed. This is the 2nd IOT product in my home getting bricked within 2 months. This is one of the reasons I am working on an enclosure-compatible open-source version of the 2nd gen Nest thermostat over at https://sett.homes/ . It reuses the enclosure, encoder ring, display, and mounts of the Nest but replaces the "thinking" part with an open-source PCB that can interact with Home Assistant. Nest has be…

Honestly I found the "smart" parts of my nest to be pointless once I connected it to HA. I have automations, sensors, and weather in HA. I'm looking at moving to a zwave thermostat now. I wouldn't have gotten the nest but it was a (re)gift and I didn't want it to go to waste. Now Google made it waste.

Yeah, same feeling. The "learning" portion ended up being a bust. My HA automations are a lot simpler, so a beautiful dial on the wall, that I can control locally and automate, is what I'm after. All the Zwave thermostats have been so ugly as far as what I have found

Re: Kevo app shutdown

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Post by Onavo »

burnt-resistor wrote: post #32
bhhaskin wrote: post #17

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Connected stuff is fine, but who owns the connection matters.

Private equity will buy anything and everything even moderately profitable using LBOs, stick them with the loans, take out more loans to pay themselves, spin them off, and wind them down. Basically no one is going to run a business for the sake of customers or brand goodwill because, in the real world, there are no regulations or motivations to do so because "everything is a scam" is the normalized deviancy. Take eve…

Abloy is the biggest name in locks. This is more like if Apple decides to shut down iCloud one day.
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