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Post by linohh »

andrewinardeer wrote: post #105
mapontosevenths wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This. Their arbitrary nature is designed to consolidate executive branch authority that can be welded as a weapon against corporations that might consider supporting his opposition in the future. It's a classic fascist ploy, and is further proof that executive orders should be banned. In America we do not have kings who rule by decree, or at least we should not..

If executive orders get banned, should presidential pardons as well? This instrument can also be used for leverage.

Yes.

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by mothballed »

apwell23 wrote: post #14
bananapub wrote: post #3

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It doesn’t seem very unclear - the president made up a policy it isn’t possible to comply with, since there is no way to actually pay the massive bribe, in addition to probably being illegal, but nonetheless CBP may start refusing entry to people in hours.

why do you say its a bribe? where is actual money going?

To the state coffers where it is money laundered to friends of the political class via favored private enterprises that win contracts for things like building border walls, keeping databases on US citizens, or running detention facilities.

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by linohh »

apwell23 wrote: post #14
bananapub wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It doesn’t seem very unclear - the president made up a policy it isn’t possible to comply with, since there is no way to actually pay the massive bribe, in addition to probably being illegal, but nonetheless CBP may start refusing entry to people in hours.

why do you say its a bribe? where is actual money going?

Like many cleptocrats, DJT seems to think that money received by the federal government is somehow his. However I don't think bribe is the appropriate term, it's more of a shakedown.

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by dang »

Related ongoing threads:

US Gov acknowledges that 100K fee does not apply to existing H-1B visas holders [pdf] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45318060 - Sept 2025 (43 comments)

Visa holders on vacation have 15 hours to return to US or pay $100k fee - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45312877 - Sept 2025 (218 comments)

New H-1B visa fee will not apply to existing holders, official says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45316226 - Sept 2025 (3 comments)

Also recent and related:

Trump to impose $100k fee for H-1B worker visas, White House says - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45305845 - Sept 2025 (1675 comments)

The H-1B Visa Program and Its Impact on the U.S. Economy - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45309740 - Sept 2025 (51 comments)

Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by rs186 »

alooPotato wrote: post #94
rs186 wrote: post #56

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They are, and increasingly so for the past 2-3 years. I guess you have not been paying attention. I know as a matter of fact that my company and other companies almost exclusively create new headcounts in India/UK/Germany. US headcounts are only for replacement or as exceptions. Even some replacement headcounts are moved overseas.

Exactly, so this $100K fee shouldn't change anything that isn't already happening. If they could ship the jobs elsewhere that you're worried about, they would have already?

What do you think recent layoffs are for?

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Post by sarchertech »

vkou wrote: post #104
sarchertech wrote: post #88

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That's clearly not a solution to any of the other problems in the country. But making a bad visa program more expensive to employers abusing it is potentially a way to mitigate it. Here's Bernie Sanders comments on the H-1B visa. "The main function of the H-1B visa program is not to hire “the best and the brightest,” but rather to replace good-paying American jobs with low-wage indentured servants from abroad."

It's funny that you quote Sanders on this, when this EO's solution to 'human beings are being mistreated' is not 'stop mistreating them' it's 'lets do our best to throw as many as we can out'. It's right up there with Oregon's stance on slavery. (The state banned it and fought for the Union on the basis that it didn't want any --------- living in it, even enslaved ones.)

>when this EO's solution to 'human beings are being mistreated' is not 'stop mistreating them' it's 'lets do our best to throw as many as we can out'.

I mean everything the Trump Whitehouse does is a mess, but they said that this only applies to new applicants, so it's not throwing anyone out.

Bernie's quote mentions 2 classes of people being mistreated. H-1B workers and American workers. Since the H-1B workers are being used as leverage to mistreat American workers, reducing the number of new H-1B workers coming in is certainly one way to mitigate harm to American workers.

I don't know how many people we should let in under H-1B, but I'd prefer they get rid of the requirements to find a new job within 60 days. That doesn't mean I don't think that making the program more expensive isn't beneficial.

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Post by yibg »

sarchertech wrote: post #83
atonse wrote: post #81

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Yup, whether the 100k fee will curb misuse remains to be seen. But giving people essentially 24h to react feels like utter bullshit causing totally unnecessary and avoidable chaos to LEGAL (and vetted from a background check standpoint) immigrants.

Sure everything Trump does is insane, but all I've been hearing is how "H-1Bs are good actually".

Having skilled immigrants is good for the country. H1B right now is the primary way this happens. Crippling H1B goes against that.

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Post by [deleted] »

toast0 wrote: post #63
hypeatei wrote: post #8

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> it would be easier to fight that from in the US Would it? Aren't ICE agents showing up to court hearings and deporting people?

At least you could meet with your lawyers in person, during mutual daylight. Do you even have standing to sue from abroad about a visa revoked capriciously?

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Re: Microsoft memo advises H1B employees to return immediately if currently abroad

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Post by alooPotato »

rs186 wrote: post #115
alooPotato wrote: post #94

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Exactly, so this $100K fee shouldn't change anything that isn't already happening. If they could ship the jobs elsewhere that you're worried about, they would have already?

What do you think recent layoffs are for?

I don't understand what point you're trying to make. I think we're saying the same thing - $100K fee won't change anything.
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