Live data from Hacker News

Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

gavi.org

111–120 of 393 posts

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#111
post #18

If you're living in the US: please consider getting the vaccine, ragardless of your age. It was covered by my (rather shitty) health insurance. It consists of just 2 (EDIT: 3 for adults!) doses. It is recommended for both Males and Females.

It's not approved for those over 45. (AFIAK, simply because so few people in that age group would have risk without having had prior exposure. Basically only those who had divorced or lost their long time partner.)

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax, wasn't the famous posterchild for this disease Michael Douglas?

> Why is there an age limit on an all encompassing vax Vaccines are subject to stringent safety standards since they’re administered to healthy people. The age limit may suggest that at the time of the recommendation, in the relevant jurisdiction, the manufacturer had not studied its safety and efficacy in >40 year olds. (I also don’t think it’s an age limit as much as the upper end of a recommendation.)

It's an age limit to the approval caused by a lack of studies. To study it in over 45s you need suitable over 45s--but there aren't a lot of over 45s with risk but not prior exposure.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#113
post #97
post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is there a net positive benefit to this shot? Yes https://ourworldindata.org/hpv-vaccination-world-can-elimina...

Doesn't answer the question. Other vaccines, for example DTP, have been shown to cause higher long term mortality rate over those who didn't get it. https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/2/3/e000707

That study is small, observation based and controversial, and the researchers have data from a randomized follow up study that they have been keeping secret for the last 14 years. The coverage of the controversy has mostly been in Danish media, despite these hacks advising the current US administration. See https://www.sensible-med.com/p/the-false-narrative-of-nonspe... for a writeup in English.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#114

The goal wasn't to eliminate the HPV strains, it was to decrease cervical cancer. Has Denmark encountered a drop in cervical cancer? If so, that's a great outcome!

[flagged]

Why is this getting downvoted? It's obviously humor!

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#116
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those organizations didn't have instantaneous global reach. Now everyone does.

I'm not denying that there's a difference - obviously technology has enabled the scale of things to grow quite a bit, both good and bad - but it's beside my point, which is that, given that it's not a new phenomenon, blaming it on technology seems doomed to failure. Without solving for the underlying issues, people will continue to mistrust authority, whether they're being told to by news or their neighbor.

Mistrusting authority might be good. What I see happening is in fact trusting too much into "authority" without penalizing it for inconsistencies - I would call it more like blind faith. I feel this happens because it makes it easier than questioning everything you hear and deciding for yourself, and accepting you might be wrong, or that the information is unknown. People want a savior and a simple solution!

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#117

The goal wasn't to eliminate the HPV strains, it was to decrease cervical cancer. Has Denmark encountered a drop in cervical cancer? If so, that's a great outcome!

The lead time from infection to cancer is very long, we would not expect to see too much of a drop *yet*. But testing for those strains seems to be as useful for screening as a pap smear.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#118
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those organizations didn't have instantaneous global reach. Now everyone does.

I'm not denying that there's a difference - obviously technology has enabled the scale of things to grow quite a bit, both good and bad - but it's beside my point, which is that, given that it's not a new phenomenon, blaming it on technology seems doomed to failure. Without solving for the underlying issues, people will continue to mistrust authority, whether they're being told to by news or their neighbor.

> blaming it on technology seems doomed to failure

Recognizing that technology is now so convenient, psychology manipulative, and operates in a furiously fast feedback evolutionary regime, and that it has radically increased the spread of cultural irrationality isn't about "blame" in a judgy moral way.

It is about characterizing major factors behind the problem.

The enormous amount of near instant coordinated (by intention or dynamic), interactive misinformation, made so conveniently available that large percentages of the population routinely and enthusiastically expose themselves to it, participate in reinforcing it, throughout their typical day, is very new.

> "Not everything that is faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced." -- James Baldwin

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#119
post #82

[flagged]

That's because other strains weren't covered by the original vaccines: Strains 16 and 18 were the high risk strains covered in the 2008 roll-out, the roll-out to young girls of the broader vaccine covering other high risk strains didn't start until 2017.

“In 2017, one of the first birth cohorts of women in Denmark who were HPV-vaccinated as teenage girls in 2008 reached the screening age of 23 years,” Nonboe explained."

It will take several more years to see the effects on other strains. It seems to have been wildly successful so far.

Re: Denmark close to wiping out cancer-causing HPV strains after vaccine roll-out

#120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

Why is this getting downvoted? It's obviously humor!

Because HN is not really a forum geared towards sarcastic quips unless they are extraordinarily funny.
Post reply on HN