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I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by dylan604 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> It does not matter how long you’ve bought from a big company, they owe you nothing

The same can be said of employers. The company does not care about you no matter how many years you’ve been there. If you’re not c-suite, you're just a cog.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by bigglywiggler »

n8cpdx wrote: post #84
wrs wrote: post #49

I think the only way you can consider iOS “amateurish” is according to a ridiculously high standard for phone software that Apple itself is responsible for normalizing.

Unfortunately, the only real comparison for iOS is past versions of iOS; until that changes I don’t see things getting better in any stable way. iOS 26 actually has a lot of great features and convergence with the rest of the ecosystem (e.g. preview is awesome). But it lacks the polish that Apple has a reputation for; unfortunately 50% worse polish for Apple is still significantly better than Android and Windows. The…

This is it, the grass is not greener on the other side unless you're moving over here. I don't understand why people who live on those less green pastures continuously wish for the greener pasture to be more like what they have now.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

I believe the term is "parasocial relationship".

I found this article quite weird. It would be one thing if it were (yet another) "Company X has lost its way..." kind of article. But this post seemed more along the lines of "Apple built these things that I don't care about."

Umm, so??? Obviously some people do, and this article struck me as someone complaining that Apple isn't building exactly what he wants. Furthermore, his analysis seems way off base to me: "Relying on legacy and unquestioning fanpeople, for whom everything Apple does is good and awesome and there’s nothing wrong with it, can only go so far." Apple stopped relying on "legacy and unquestioning fan people" a long time ago, ever since they basically became "the iPhone company" to a majority of their userbase.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by dylan604 »

ars wrote: post #95
snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> And a text terminal? Like DOS?? Who the hell is ever going to want to use that on a Mac? Me. I have to use a Mac at work, and I use the text terminal more than anything else on the computer. It doesn't help that Mac's don't have a good UI, everything is hidden behind extra key-presses, and switching between windows is a PAIN. On a mac every window for an app is considered the same, so there's no concept of switchin…

> When a window is in the background it doesn't receive clicks, so you have to click on it twice

I get hit by this all the time. I have multiple monitors and I can scroll in a window without the window having focus. The scrolling leads you believe it has focus so when you hit cmd-w to close the window the window with actual focus closes instead.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by ipv6ipv4 »

rd wrote: post #23

Not a huge believer in belittling an author's points, but the author makes absolutely not one objective point in this entire article. Genuinely every single thing he describes is an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. And those opinions, at that, aren't even very accurate. AirPods becoming e-waste? Seriously? Pick a better idea to make your point, because pretty much everyone I know has had their AirPods for 2-3+ ye…

I agree. It's objectively nonsense with regards to AirPods and Apple Watches in particular. Both are extremely dominant in their respective categories for many years at this point. Objectively, Apple is not alienating its "long-time customers". Someone raging about his perceived wastefulness of AirPods is out of touch with the vast majority of people.

But people love to rage and be enraged on the internet. So anyone pointing the vacuity of the enraged is downvoted and cast aside.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by Marsymars »

rectang wrote: post #80
daedrdev wrote: post #50

I do feel like there is some man shaking fist at cloud here. The post dismisses airpods, yet they are one of the most popular products in the US, with like 75% of young people owning a pair, great quality, features, and battery life. I dont think a swappable battery is even a good feature, the parts would be tiny and break easily given their size not to mention how often they could get lost

I used to hate Airpods in videochats since they made the person wearing them sound bad because of dropouts, had heinous latency, and frequently disconnected causing meeting interruptions. But people think they're "better" than [wired] Earpods, which have none of those problems. /me shakes fist at cloud

If I could do so, I would mandate that everyone at my workplace must use a wired headset with a boom mic for every Teams call.

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by airstrike »

ars wrote: post #95
snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

> And a text terminal? Like DOS?? Who the hell is ever going to want to use that on a Mac? Me. I have to use a Mac at work, and I use the text terminal more than anything else on the computer. It doesn't help that Mac's don't have a good UI, everything is hidden behind extra key-presses, and switching between windows is a PAIN. On a mac every window for an app is considered the same, so there's no concept of switchin…

> On a mac every window for an app is considered the same, so there's no concept of switching between windows (except with special hidden key presses).

Is Cmd+` the hidden key press? Alternatively you can go to "Window" at the menubar if you prefer to click

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by fragmede »

Marsymars wrote: post #116
rectang wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I used to hate Airpods in videochats since they made the person wearing them sound bad because of dropouts, had heinous latency, and frequently disconnected causing meeting interruptions. But people think they're "better" than [wired] Earpods, which have none of those problems. /me shakes fist at cloud

If I could do so, I would mandate that everyone at my workplace must use a wired headset with a boom mic for every Teams call.

You're fucking disgusting. You'd force people to use Teams?

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by DanHulton »

hedora wrote: post #83
freetime2 wrote: post #76

Regarding the iPhone 17 Pro: > People who have no use for all these pro video recording features shouldn’t waste their money on it. Unless they want a big chunky iPhone with the best camera array and/or have money to burn. I feel like people who “want the best camera array and have money to burn” probably describes a significant percentage of HN readers. I’m honestly pretty excited that they’ve finally put the larger…

The air is too big and clunky from me. Sent from my iPhone 13 mini, which is also Too Damn Big. I’m got above average size human hands, which are too small even for the mini.

I, too, am still rocking the 13 mini, which they made good enough that nothing they've made since has made me wish to upgrade, though the fact that every phone since is Too Damn Big has made me happy I haven't yet.

We've got about three years left before these things are unsupported. Three years of hope for them to release _something_ a little smaller than "uncomfortably large."

Re: I feel Apple has lost its alignment with me and other long-time customers

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Post by snowwrestler »

xmprt wrote: post #106
snowwrestler wrote: post #89

> it’s a company that I feel has lost its alignment with me and other long-time Apple users and customers. When OS X debuted there was a daytime radio talk show in my area called “The Computer Guys.” They capably covered all sorts of computing topics, but were clearly long-time Apple dudes. And they spent weeks complaining about what a disaster OS X was. The Dock was useless and violated Apple’s HIG. The Finder made…

The biggest reason for me using Android is simply because of how much competition there is in the space. If I use Apple products and don't like something they do then I'm stuck on an older version at best and need to migrate everything from their walled garden (at great cost) at worst. With Android, I can use Samsung one generation, switch to Pixel the next, and give Motorola/some other smaller company a chance later…

What would be the “great cost” of moving from an iPhone to an Android phone? I’m struggling to think of what would cost money at all, aside from the phone itself.
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