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Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by dlcarrier »

adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #92
goodpoint wrote: post #33

$40 is too expensive

It's pretty much the minimal cost for the form factor and accessories. It would be cool if they could make a $20 version with a lot less connectivity in a smaller form factor.

Check out the the Bouffalo Labs BL808 or Sophon SG2000 series. They are a system-in-package products that contain a RISC-V CPU, RAM and flash memory all in a few mm square package, for a few dollars. Pine64 and Milk-V both have breakout boards for under $10.

They only have RAM and flash in the hundreds of megabytes, not gigabytes, but they can run full Linux and are as capable as many household Wi-Fi routers. They include USB, Bluetooth, Wi-Fi, and wired Ethernet ports, and even have MIPI CSI and DSI interfaces for cameras and displays.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by dlcarrier »

Daviey wrote: post #71
taneliv wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is your project where 2 x NVMe is not suitable for storage?

I'd like a decent RISC or ARM SBC for a NAS.

There's M.2 cards with PCIe to SATA bridges, which are great for a high-capacity low-speed NAS setups, especially with mechanical hard drives. Be sure to research the chipset before buying one, as some are notorious for poor driver support.

If this is a practical application, I would recommend sticking with ARM for this generation, as RISC-V is still in early development. In a year or two we should start getting more standardized RISC-V processor implementations, with broader support.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by dlcarrier »

sylware wrote: post #24

RISC-V going forward, one of the only beacons of hope in the silicon world. I need one of such devices for my self-hosted services. And it will be time to port from C to assembly, really, because we have finally a CPU ISA which is 'sweet spot' balanced, standard, global, pushed forward with significant resources and without IP locks anywhere. No more developer/vendor lock-in via "the only compiler able to generate co…

I use Privacy.com to get temporary credit cards, to avoid the hassle of compromised credit card numbers, although it doesn't stop various governments from tracking my transactions.

I've bought RISC-V SBCs from both Pine64.com and Arace.tech, and neither required I make an account. Arace.tech does require JavaScript to checkout, but Pine64.com does appear to work without it, although I didn't complete a transaction without it. Pine64.com also accepts USDC payments, but no other cryptocurrency.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by dlcarrier »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #105
dlcarrier wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering what was going on, because Orange Pi only sells to distributors, not direct to customers. Amazon only has a single listing for any given product, and all distributors, whether authorized or not, are under the same listing. When there's more than one distributor, you can choose which one to order from, but the buy now button follows a default. If it isn't too late, I would highly recommend disputing th…

It was the only amazon distributor as far as I know. they were directly linked from the Orange Pi 5 website. Its their responsibility they direct their customers to dubious distribution systems (IF THAT IS THE CASE). We should never reward orders or preorders in any fast devaluating area (like electronics) to be reneged after inflation: this would allow manufacturers to post-select a financial path: if less inflation…

Amazon can be rather dubious, but there's not a lot of competition to chose from. Orange Pi is far too small of a company to set up their own international payment and delivery system. I have used Ali Express, and they've been pretty good at protecting me from attempted fraud.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by DoctorOetker »

dlcarrier wrote: post #114
DoctorOetker wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It was the only amazon distributor as far as I know. they were directly linked from the Orange Pi 5 website. Its their responsibility they direct their customers to dubious distribution systems (IF THAT IS THE CASE). We should never reward orders or preorders in any fast devaluating area (like electronics) to be reneged after inflation: this would allow manufacturers to post-select a financial path: if less inflation…

Amazon can be rather dubious, but there's not a lot of competition to chose from. Orange Pi is far too small of a company to set up their own international payment and delivery system. I have used Ali Express, and they've been pretty good at protecting me from attempted fraud.

Their decision is their decision.

I simply report what happened to me.

Orange Pi should fulfill my order, which I paid for, and still patiently await to see the board. If they feel it is the fault of Amazon (the platform of their choice) or the distributor of their choice, they can complain there and ask them for remuneration for reputational damage and cost of unfulfilled orders.

All I know, is that I paid via the Orange Pi endorsed channel and never received the board.

I have the right to warn others.

Hiding behind front company distributors to pull of inflation postselection tricks or whatever malice or incompetence it turns out to be should not be rewarded.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by maxlin »

dlcarrier wrote: post #107
maxlin wrote: post #96

I caught Orange Pi doing misleading advertising earlier, trying to make people hear that the CPU has an NPU. Does this actually have any AI hardware or not?

The Ky X1 has AI acceleration on 4 of its 8 cores, creating 2 TOPS performance. There's a guide for running LLMs here: http://www.orangepi.org/orangepiwiki/index.php/Orange_Pi_RV2...

That looks quite similar to what I read before. For me those performance figures don't necessarily suggest it being any faster than just running on CPU so I'm still suspicious.

Might research this a bit more. Of course even if there's no perf improvement but perf/watt is better, that be valid too. But sounds very marketing speaky

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by dlcarrier »

maxlin wrote: post #116
dlcarrier wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The Ky X1 has AI acceleration on 4 of its 8 cores, creating 2 TOPS performance. There's a guide for running LLMs here: http://www.orangepi.org/orangepiwiki/index.php/Orange_Pi_RV2...

That looks quite similar to what I read before. For me those performance figures don't necessarily suggest it being any faster than just running on CPU so I'm still suspicious. Might research this a bit more. Of course even if there's no perf improvement but perf/watt is better, that be valid too. But sounds very marketing speaky

It's not faster than running on an x86 CPU, but it's faster than an unaccelerated RISC-V CPU.

The entire platform is more for development of RISC-V software, especially at the operating system level, than it is an end-user product. There's still a lot of development needed to get RISC-V perf/watt, even with acceleration, to match ARM and x86 systems. I would expect at least a couple of years until then. RISC-V microcontrollers are already getting there, competing well with M0, but that's an entirely different market.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by slaw »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #105
dlcarrier wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering what was going on, because Orange Pi only sells to distributors, not direct to customers. Amazon only has a single listing for any given product, and all distributors, whether authorized or not, are under the same listing. When there's more than one distributor, you can choose which one to order from, but the buy now button follows a default. If it isn't too late, I would highly recommend disputing th…

It was the only amazon distributor as far as I know. they were directly linked from the Orange Pi 5 website. Its their responsibility they direct their customers to dubious distribution systems (IF THAT IS THE CASE). We should never reward orders or preorders in any fast devaluating area (like electronics) to be reneged after inflation: this would allow manufacturers to post-select a financial path: if less inflation…

Orange Pi website shows for me only US Amazon Store. You should get your funds back from Amazon and order on Aliexpress.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

dlcarrier wrote: post #111
adgjlsfhk1 wrote: post #92

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pretty much the minimal cost for the form factor and accessories. It would be cool if they could make a $20 version with a lot less connectivity in a smaller form factor.

Check out the the Bouffalo Labs BL808 or Sophon SG2000 series. They are a system-in-package products that contain a RISC-V CPU, RAM and flash memory all in a few mm square package, for a few dollars. Pine64 and Milk-V both have breakout boards for under $10. They only have RAM and flash in the hundreds of megabytes, not gigabytes, but they can run full Linux and are as capable as many household Wi-Fi routers. They in…

The SG2000 is pretty interesting. I do wish they had gone with a more homogeneous architecture (4 identical cores like the pi 2 zero), and it's RVV 0.7, but the next generation of this could be really interesting.

Re: Orange Pi RV2 $40 RISC-V SBC: Friendly Gateway to IoT and AI Projects

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Post by adgjlsfhk1 »

jauntywundrkind wrote: post #8

Absolutely smoked by rpi5, often by rpi4. To make matters worse, a radically unsupported core with no mainline support. https://www.phoronix.com/review/orange-pi-rv2-benchmarks/2

It wouldn't shock me if performance doubles over the next couple years. This chip is one of the first supports the RiscV Vector extension, so compilers have a lot of years of catch up to vectorize effectively.
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