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Post by seabass-labrax »

decimalenough wrote: post #26

Here's a zoomable 3D model of the world's busiest train station, Shinjuku in Tokyo: https://satoshi7190.github.io/Shinjuku-indoor-threejs-demo/ 3.6 million passengers per day . Wikipedia: The main East Japan Railway Company (JR East) station and the directly adjacent private railways have a total of 35 platforms, an underground arcade, above-ground arcade and numerous hallways with another 17 platforms (52 total) tha…

Is this actually to scale? If so, do the near-vertical moving dashed lines depict inclined lifts or escalators? Because they look very steep when you compare them to other metro escalators, such as those in the Brussels Metro's Porte de Hal / Hallepoort station[1], which seem closer to 50° from horizontal.

[1]: http://estacions.albertguillaumes.cat/img/brusselles/porte_d...

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Post by bambax »

jddj wrote: post #15

Very impressive work. I also learned something, which I'd always wondered cynically but never thought to investigate. The walking connection between lines at some stations in Barcelona seems so long as to not make sense, but it's explained here that at the time the different lines and stations were dug and extended independently by different companies. > Among the reasons for having such long corridors [in Barcelona]…

That was also the case in NYC, and that's why there are so many long tunnels: each company tried to reach customers where they were.

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Post by dmoy »

decimalenough wrote: post #80
numpad0 wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Throwing in Japan into random topics in trains feel somewhat unfair. Most train fact sheets fail to include most Asian nations except Japan, often missing even Korea and Taiwan. Commuter trains in many East/Southeast Asian cities like Shanghai has developed to levels comparable to Tokyo. Trains in some Central Asian cities such as Mumbai were also always notorious for congestions. I think those should also be conside…

We have stats for India, and they're no match: Kolkata Howrah gets about 1M pax per day, Mumbai CST around 670k. Nothing to sneeze at, but still several million (!) less than Shinjuku. China has numerous airport-sized stations that handle huge volumes of long-distance passengers, but I'm not aware of any single commuter hub remotely the size of Shinjuku. Partly this is because of the economic system: Chinese trains a…

> I'm not aware of any single commuter hub remotely the size of Shinjuku

There certainly isn't one that does the volume of passengers. Shanghai Hongqiao or Beijing South are probably busiest, and they're 3-4x less passengers than Shinjuku.

> Partly this is because of the economic system: Chinese trains are all state-run and centralized, while a large part of why Shinjuku is so busy is that it's a hub for numerous private railways as well.

I think another part of it is also size of network. China is a freaking huge country. It's got like 10-15x as much high speed rail track compared to Japan. It's a lot more distributed.

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Post by lucianbr »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #101
lucianbr wrote: post #90

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Is Paris 6 times smaller than Madrid and 15 times smaller than London? Seems suspicious to me. What exactly is the boundary of this "area" and how does it relate to the subway network?

A significant proportion of the administrative area of Madrid is covered by fenced-off forests. Plus it covers other swathes of non-developed land and even most of its airport. The administrative area of Paris proper, on the other hand, is fully urbanised. See here for comparison: + Madrid: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5326784 + Paris: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7444 London is a whole different…

Yeah, I don't think the density numbers quoted mean anything useful.

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Post by 62 »

qweiopqweiop wrote: post #102
diggan wrote: post #79

This is amazing, seems really detailed and leveraging official sources too, nice job! Since the author seems to be Catalan, I'll shamelessly plug a Metro-station-relevant event that is ongoing right now in Barcelona: There are many "ghost" metro stations in Barcelona that been popular (at least used to) urban exploring destinations. Two of those, Gaudí and Correus, are now opening to the public via tours, if you regi…

Thanks for sharing. London has these permanently, and while not cheap, they're very much worth it too.

I agree

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Post by Zagreus2142 »

This is so neat! I hope at some point in the future cities and/or nation-states provide real time 3d environments of their built environment, with highlights for public transit, public spaces, food, government services, etc. Like if gis systems were better standardized and have these models integrated into them.

Seattle has been a mess of last minute bus stop changes that aren't propagated to Google maps before you find yourself missing your bus. And even checking the metro page directly sometimes isn't up to date with sudden construction closures

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Post by kjkjadksj »

giveita wrote: post #49
decimalenough wrote: post #26

Here's a zoomable 3D model of the world's busiest train station, Shinjuku in Tokyo: https://satoshi7190.github.io/Shinjuku-indoor-threejs-demo/ 3.6 million passengers per day . Wikipedia: The main East Japan Railway Company (JR East) station and the directly adjacent private railways have a total of 35 platforms, an underground arcade, above-ground arcade and numerous hallways with another 17 platforms (52 total) tha…

3.6m is crazy. That must be a decent % of the entire Tokyo pop.

Almost 10%. Framed like that it almost seems highly inefficient that so many are routed through this one station in particular. Presumably they could have had more direct routes to their destinations.

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Post by kjkjadksj »

Mona4000 wrote: post #93
tkiolp4 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If only 1% give money to homeless people, that’s… a good place to beg for money. I would probably make more there than what i make at my fancy software engineering job (100K before taxes per year): - 36000 people - let’s say each give 10 cents ($) - that’s $3600 per day - if you beg 8h per day, that’s $1200/day - begging mon to fri means $24000 per month (tax free)

Begging is illegal in Japan.

It is illegal in all kinds of places. The question is not the letter of the law but if police enforce the law.

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Post by anticensor »

FearNotDaniel wrote: post #46
jddj wrote: post #15

Very impressive work. I also learned something, which I'd always wondered cynically but never thought to investigate. The walking connection between lines at some stations in Barcelona seems so long as to not make sense, but it's explained here that at the time the different lines and stations were dug and extended independently by different companies. > Among the reasons for having such long corridors [in Barcelona]…

In London that’s also mostly true due to the patchwork history of different companies building different lines… however when King’s Cross/St Pancras was redeveloped a few years ago the “official” interchange route between Piccadilly and Victoria lines became much, much longer - minutes of walking compared to seconds. This site doesn’t cover that station, but does link to TfL’s own diagrams via IanVisits, and the reas…

Why don't they block the shortcut to anyone but whitelisted people that applied beforehand?
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