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Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

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post #17

I've been following this on X/Twitter and I think one of the most egregious things that's important to point out is that folks from Phrack reached out to Proton in private multiple times, and Proton ghosted them. Proton only engaged with them and then reinstated the accounts after Phrack went public and their X/Twitter post went viral. It also looks like one of the writers filed an appeal with Proton and Proton denie…

> Phrack reached out to Proton in private multiple times, and Proton ghosted them. According to Proton's response in the linked reddit post: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45227356 They say: "Regarding Phrack’s claim on contacting our legal team 8 times: this is not true. We have only received two emails to our legal team inbox, last one on Sep 6 with a 48-hour deadline. This is unrealistic for a company the si…

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Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#112
post #92

The true value of a company can be measured by our ability to communicate with them. If we can't communicate except after public outrage, then what does that say about the company? Here's a genuine question: is Proton Mail the least shitty of companies that provide email services? I self-host email and will continue until I die. But for others who need a company to do this for them, is Proton Mail the least shitty of…

What's your stack? After reading this, self hosting suddenly appeals to me.

OpenSMTPd + Dovecot is extremely easy to setup and maintain.

For my parents, I registered a domain on OVH and they use the free email accounts they come with. So that's an independent, ready to migrate, email account for about 8 euros per year.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#113
post #52

I've been following this on X/Twitter and I think one of the most egregious things that's important to point out is that folks from Phrack reached out to Proton in private multiple times, and Proton ghosted them. Proton only engaged with them and then reinstated the accounts after Phrack went public and their X/Twitter post went viral. It also looks like one of the writers filed an appeal with Proton and Proton denie…

On a positive note: having reach on social media can solve problems nowadays.

Isn't that like saying "Yay, rich people get to bend the law", certainly useful to some, but kind of a weird thing to cheer for?

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#114
post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the reasons why I don't use my personal Google accounts for stuff like Firebase.

Sadly, Proton was, until now, a serious and perhaps leading contender for where I might migrate my email as I reduce my dependence on Google. They felt more credible then Tutanova, and less mainstream corporate than Fastmail. Not sure where to look now.

> Not sure where to look now.

Maybe take a look at https://posteo.de/en

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#115
post #92

The true value of a company can be measured by our ability to communicate with them. If we can't communicate except after public outrage, then what does that say about the company? Here's a genuine question: is Proton Mail the least shitty of companies that provide email services? I self-host email and will continue until I die. But for others who need a company to do this for them, is Proton Mail the least shitty of…

What's your stack? After reading this, self hosting suddenly appeals to me.

Not who you asked, but I self-host some non-critical mail domains using Mailu[0], which is a set of docker containers. It's been fairly low maintenance. Ease of setup depends on your technical knowledge, but if I can do it, and you're on HN asking the question, you'll probably manage.

[0]: https://mailu.io/

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#116

The true value of a company can be measured by our ability to communicate with them. If we can't communicate except after public outrage, then what does that say about the company? Here's a genuine question: is Proton Mail the least shitty of companies that provide email services? I self-host email and will continue until I die. But for others who need a company to do this for them, is Proton Mail the least shitty of…

To answer your question, from my limited experience: no.

There are better or less shitty companies like Fastmail, Runbox (tried them), even Purelymail (but 1 or 2 people setup), Mailbox (shitty support, solid setup; I am a customer), Migadu (good name, I have never used them), there's Tuta (but somehow they seem off to me; like Proton they also do not allow IMAP/POP - Proton allows with some circus), MXRoute has good name at places like LET forum. There's even Zoho if you just a mail service (but then if you use Zoho then only reason to not use Google or MSFT will be cost or just the middle finger :D) … and many more.

So there are options.

PS. as per self hosting email - I can't self host my seedbox properly on a VPS, I don't think I should even try email :)

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#117

Proton dropped from the top spot on my list of “user-first email platforms” when they announced they’ll be deleting accounts that haven’t logged into their service in some arbitrary amount of time. If I can’t rely on my email / messaging / phone / communications provider to keep an open line for as long as I need it – whether that’s one year or two years or twenty years, then I’m not going to use it. And if they requ…

> deleting accounts that haven’t logged into their service in some arbitrary amount of time One year, to be exact: https://proton.me/support/inactive-accounts

It's not exact or strict. They may or may not delete.

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#119
post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

https://tuta.com/

Re: Proton Mail suspended journalist accounts at request of cybersecurity agency

#120
post #18

I've need a paying subscriber to Proton since 2018, but I recently canceled my subscription (which ends in November). I just got fed up with the constant bugginess and jankiness of their offerings. Any suggestions for mail hosting and VPN? I hear good things about Fastmail and mailbox.org (I see they very recently rebranded to just mailbox and revamped their offering). Also, I've been a heavy user of the SimpleLogin…

I recently moved from Gmail to Migadu and started to use my own domain instead. Works great so far

I've used Migadu since their free plan days. Even though I had trouble in the transition (partly due to my fault) it was handled decently and I stayed on. Been friction less since. I must also mention Edison e-mail, which makes such a great client!
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