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Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

We have Marginalia which serves a specific use-case: https://about.marginalia-search.com/

That's what I was expecting this submission to be about, although to be honest I'm not certain that Marginalia would want the influx of a fastcompany sized tire kicking

To be fair I'm on a colocated server now. No more apartment hosting for me.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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It claims I reached the article limit. The last time I saw a fastcompany link must have been a decade ago! I was nostalgically looking forward to read another article of theirs. Alas... https://archive.is/HA7y4 Some bits and pieces: > his new search engine, the robust Search-a-Page https://searcha.page >, which has a privacy-focused variant called Seek Ninja https://seek.ninja > > The secret to making it all happen?…

I absolutely devoured Wilson Lins articles recently .. they are very high quality and informative for any amateur interested in search engines and LLMs! - https://blog.wilsonl.in/search-engine/

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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I always wondered why someone couldn't do this. Google was invented many years ago by two guys in a dorm room and since then there's been so many white papers and advancements in the public sphere and the actual underlying problem has not changed that much, that it seems like it could be done by a small group or independent person.

Crawling is much more difficult than it used to be. Significantly more content is behind a login, Javascript is required for way more than it should be, and almost the entire web is behind cloudflare or another type of captcha.

These things are actually fairly small problems.

The parts that absolutely require JS can't be reliably linked to and nobody indexes that stuff. Most apparent SPA:s serve a HTML alternative if you don't claim to be a web browser in the UA.

Cloudflare and the like are also fairly easy to deal with as long as your crawler is well behaved. You can register the fingerprint and mostly get access to cf:ed websites.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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I know that Google engineers have a cushy life but I actually find it unlikely that a guy, who isn't attempting some radical new type of search (like pagerank back in the day) can hope to compete with the orgs in Google who support search. Again, those orgs are likely too comfortable and less productive than people would like, but we're talking about many-many thousands and depending upon how you define "the work" of…

If you wrote that 100 people could outwork one person, I'd nod my head. If you wrote that 10k people could outwork 1k people, I'd shrug. If you tell me that 100 people can combine to tie my shoe faster than I can, I'd question that.

Building a state-of-the-art search engine is not shoelaces. But upwards of 10k workers is not impressive in the right direction.

One person starting out with anything at all can quickly grow into one person with one or two really innovative ideas. One or two good ideas can catch fire pretty quickly. Don't be too dismissive.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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post #54

"The beefy CPU running this setup, a 32-core AMD EPYC 7532, underlines just how fast technology moves. At the time of its release in 2020, the processor alone would have cost more than $3,000. It can now be had on eBay for less than $200" why do I never get deals like that when I am shopping for the homelab on eBay?

TheServerStore.com often has good deals. I actually bought a brand new 64-core EPYC 7702 server with 256 GB RAM and 8TB NVMe storage for about $3K fully assembled earlier this year.

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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This is a cool hobby project, but why is this notable? Why a FastCompany article? I'm trying to figure out anything that sets this apart from thousands of other little hobby search projects.

I understand companies like Perplexity or Brave or DuckDuckGo "rivialing Google", but building a hobby index and crawler is nice, and worthy of a "Show HN: "... but an actual media article?

Re: Guy running a Google rival from his laundry room

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post #57

I was trying to do this in 2023! The hardest part about building a search engine is not the actual searching though, it is (like others here have pointed out), building your index and crawling the (extremely adversarial) internet, especially when you're running the thing from a single server in your own home without fancy rotating IPs. I hope this guy succeeds and becomes another reference in the community like the m…

You might want to bookmark https://openwebsearch.eu/open-webindex/ While the index is currently not open source, it should be at some point. Maybe when they get out of the beta stage (?) details are yet unclear.

You know, it's possible the cure to an adversarial internet is to just have some non-profit serve as a repo for a universal clearnet index that anyone can access to build their own search engine. That way we don't have endless captchas and anubis and Cloudflare tests every time I try and look for a recipe online. Why send AI scrapers to crawl literally everything when you're getting the data for free?

I'll add it to the mile-long list of things that should exist and be online public goods.

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