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Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by freddyym »

chairmansteve wrote: post #77
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

Anybody who thinks they have online privacy is deluded. Regardless of Chat Control.

It would appear that you suffer from acute privacy nihilism [0].

[0] https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/08/the-a...

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by mmaunder »

“We want to be able to look into all your private spaces to ensure you’re not a child rapist. If you’re not ok with that you must be a child rapist. Now. Do you support keeping our children safe?”.

This needs to be a South Park episode if it isn’t already.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by thatxliner »

Regarding all the chat control posts, I've not seen any comments regarding the potential use for homomorphic encryption to abide by this law: if chat control is only used for the detection of CSAM (which is another issue in itself; Apple, for instance, already solved this with NeuraHash), then could "allowing the government to snoop" be letting them have the homomorphically encrypted ciphertext?

Disclaimer that I actually don't know what the full extent this chat control law is asking for, except for the fact that it will deeply compromise encryption

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by switchbak »

icameron wrote: post #71
ToValueFunfetti wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Cable everything is dead. FOX is doing relatively well, but they reach maybe 1% or 2% of the population, and presumably that's almost all already unshifting right-wing people. I'm not saying it's impossible that it's a propaganda power center, but I don't personally know how that would work. It feels like a leftover enemy from the early 2000s that just doesn't make sense post-internet.

"According to data from Nielsen, Fox News — from the period spanning June 20 through Sept. 1 — finished as the no. 1 network in all of broadcast television during the primetime hours of 8-11 PM. During those hours, Fox News averaged 2.43 million total nightly viewers in primetime — topping ABC at 2.38 million, NBC at 2.21 million, and CBS at 2.03 million. It is the second time in the network’s history they accomplish…

"It sure seems like at least 1/3rd of the population has a FOX brainworm infection" - you had me right until you pulled this completely out of thin air.

All the main news outlets totalling less than 9 million viewers? That's not compelling at all.

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by dv_dt »

mnls wrote: post #95

Don't worry people. If you are not a European let me tell you how it goes. The 'Unofficial' boss of European Union is Germany. If Germany will vote against it, more countries will back off and it won't pass. If Germany wants ChatControl, it's over. It will pass and all other undecided countries will support it. Thankfully, Germany (so far) is against it.

europeans should still use the opportunity to organize against it and future attempts

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by deadbabe »

bojo wrote: post #102
deadbabe wrote: post #87

Sometimes I think if this stuff ever got really bad, abandoning smart phones altogether wouldn’t be so bad. I’m already taking most photos with a dedicated digital camera and they are so much better than phone captured images. I hate social media these days and am waiting to give myself a reason to delete all the apps and my accounts entirely. The internet is a shithole, most my search is done through LLMs and my int…

This was my thought as well. Back to dumb devices and call it a day.

Yup. Everything a smartphone does can be done by other things way better.

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Post by fleischhauf »

bigfishrunning wrote: post #104
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

"including end-to-end encrypted ones" How? If they're end-to-end encrypted, they really can't be monitored unless there's a flaw in the encryption system. Don't trust messages to systems that aren't auditable.

as far as I understand they want the software on your device, at one point you need to decrypt if you want to read the message content

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by puppycodes »

petertodd wrote: post #110
bigfishrunning wrote: post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"including end-to-end encrypted ones" How? If they're end-to-end encrypted, they really can't be monitored unless there's a flaw in the encryption system. Don't trust messages to systems that aren't auditable.

Chat control will require client-side AI scanning of all messages, bypassing end-to-end encryption. Since the AI will be an unauditable blackbox, it will make it effectively illegal to have secure end-to-end encryption. Yes, it is that fascist.

I predict a massive uptick in linux use

Re: Chat Control Must Be Stopped

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Post by petertodd »

chairmansteve wrote: post #77
Humorist2290 wrote: post #10

> Chat Control would make it mandatory for all service providers (text messaging, email, social media, cloud storage, hosting services, etc.) to scan all communications and all files (including end-to-end encrypted ones), in order to supposedly detect whatever the government deems "abusive material." I wonder why there has been such silence on this, with the exception of a handful of well written blog posts. The scop…

Anybody who thinks they have online privacy is deluded. Regardless of Chat Control.

Nonsense.

If online privacy was that impossible Ukraine couldn't successfully organize sabotage operations in Russia. They do it all the time.

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