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Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by mcphage »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #59
crooked-v wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's already happening, and is part of the reason food prices are going up right now: https://www.newsweek.com/ice-immigration-raids-farms-crops-r...

And yet I go to the market every week and the shelves are stocked so full they have to throw out or donate the produce that starts to go bad. That article puts forth the tired trope that "crops are rotting in the fields". If that was true or so extensive as they portray, the shelves would be empty, not simply more expensive. They're not.

> If that was true or so extensive as they portray, the shelves would be empty, not simply more expensive. They're not.

When chickens were being culled because of the bird flu, the supply of eggs dropped significantly. Prices of eggs also rose significantly. As a result, shelves were often full of eggs that were priced so high that they weren’t being bought as often. Production dropped, prices rose, demand dropped, surplus remained fairly constant.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by mcphage »

sugarpimpdorsey wrote: post #67
crooked-v wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's plenty of food that can't be harvested by machine yet, and probably won't be anytime in the near future.

All the big brains in Silicon Valley can invent a bl*wj*b machine that is sync'd to a cloud-connected VR headset but can't build a machine to pick apples or tomatoes efficiently? Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced.

> Perhaps our priorities as a society are misplaced.

It’s also a lot harder. Blowjobs are comparatively simple, even with cloud-connected VR headsets.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

Guvante wrote: post #100
ivewonyoung wrote: post #82

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They're just about to fly home free as we speak. https://nypost.com/2025/09/07/us-news/south-korea-and-us-rea...

Ah yes because we didn't illegally detain them long term my point that detaining people is different then asking them to leave us bogus. Again I repeat detaining people is not the same thing as asking them to leave and pretending it is helps no one but those who want to be ignorant.

Source for the detainment being illegal?

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by AngryData »

hilsdev wrote: post #103
AngryData wrote: post #46

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Yeah but you still need people to do it and paying a bit better is not going to get an immediate response of many tens of thousands of workers to quit their jobs to do seasonal and migratory work across multiple states living out of vans and campers with no insurance and increased workload and injury rate. Many crops are just going to rot, output will be lower, and prices will still rise. At some point years down the…

We can quadruple the farm worker day rate and it would not significantly impact consumer prices. The floor price of unskilled labor is mostly a function of its market value. Increasing the labor pool via immigration decreases the value of the labor. I too would like to see farm laborers have more comfortable lives

I believe it will effect prices far more than you think it would, or likely should, because all the middlemen between farm and the person actually eating it are not going to just accept lower margins themselves if prices rise, and they some might even demand higher margins on food because they know it is in short supply and there won't be enough available for new competitors to jump in and try to undercut them. The redistributor, the processor, the packager, and the retailer side are not going to accept flat profits with lower margin percentages when they have a supply during an overall shortage of those same goods.

If farm laborer wages just went up and nothing else changed, it would probably be fine. If wages could stay the same but there was a small decrease in productivity from less experienced workers filling in, it would probably be fine too. But if the lack of workers is what is causing both production shortages and sharp labor cost increases at the same time, the only people with any power to wield in this situation are the large corporate middlemen who hold tons of supply contracts with legally binding guarantees for product and an entire logistical network developed over decades to transport and sell these goods that can't just be spun up in a few weeks by other people.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

Guvante wrote: post #99
ivewonyoung wrote: post #86

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> What specific action did the US government take against Hyundai here? There are levels of plausible deniability that need to be pierced for actions to stand up in a court of law. Hyundai has already claimed these workers were not employees and were subcontractors or sub-subcontractors. Just the negative press and pressure from the SK govt may do a lot in the future for Korean carmakers to try and do better checking…

And how is that different from previous situations? I responded to someone claiming a difference in action was taken. You responded with "well that is hard" as if to reclassify action to include previous actions.

The previous situation being that such raids didn't happen, at least not on this scale. So Hyundai had zero pressure to change anything, not even bad publicity or interruption to car production via 400 workers being detained.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by ivewonyoung »

Guvante wrote: post #75
pfannkuchen wrote: post #47

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I don’t really understand this way of thinking. If someone from USA breaks a law at some point, that doesn’t prevent USA from enforcing a similar law in the future. Not everything is universalist - the interests of the parties are at odds here, and restricting oneself to behaving in a universalist fashion (as a nation) when nobody else does that will just put you at a disadvantage. On the Jobs example - do you expect…

There is a difference between enforcing the law (you can't bring workers here on a tourist visa) and raiding a factory putting everyone into jail. For the purposes of "was it a reasonable action" yes it is important to understand how the US has acted in the past.

> raiding a factory putting everyone into jail

Source for everyone being put in jail?

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by exabrial »

knowitnone2 wrote: post #72
ben_w wrote: post #35

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Comparative advantage. Consider this vague hypothetical, because I'm not American and don't care about the specifics: Country A, average wage X; country B, minimum wage for legal residents 2X. People from A can on average get a pay rise by working in B while undercutting legal residents of B. Citizens of B then get the stuff cheaper than they otherwise would have, but also might not be as easy to employ. Are current…

no company is telling on themselves saying "We hire illegal immigrants to harvest our crops and paying them below minimum wage"

This is blatantly untrue unfortunately.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by UncleMeat »

iammjm wrote: post #9

targeting integrated, working and tax-paying citizens, truly a big brain MAGA move

They hate nonwhites. Remember BigBalls' "normalize indian hate" tweet?

The goal is not human flourishing. The goal isn't even flourishing for the groups that they care about. The goal is suffering for the people they hate.

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by tootie »

crooked-v wrote: post #88
A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #53

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Interesting, you do think the local populace is not capable of breeding? If so, can you point to the why? I might be leading you a little, but I promise only a little.

The US has a fertility rate of 1.6 ( https://apnews.com/article/fertility-rate-us-low-cdc-replace... ), i.e., 1.6 kids per 2 parents. Better social services and social safety nets would likely increase this some, but it would still probably be under 2, since that's the general trend for wealthy countries.

Opposite actually. Prosperity and security decrease fertility. Go look at the most developed nations is Europe and Asia and they have lower fertility than the US. America is only hanging on due to latent religious fervor (and immigration).

Re: US to target more businesses after Hyundai raid

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Post by tootie »

A4ET8a8uTh0_v2 wrote: post #98
crooked-v wrote: post #96

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I'm not going to bother with dealing with the leading questions crap. The factual argument is already laid out; engage with it or go away.

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The argument above is pretty clear. Fertility is below replacement. You say it could be higher. Sure it could be but it isn't. We could also all stop committing crimes and send the police home.
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