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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Wasn't GitHub initially bootstrapped?

I'm not being flippant or contrary. What does "bootstrapped" mean in this context? I feel like I've never really understood it as a metaphor.

It means they paid for their expenses with their revenue, as opposed to venture capitalist investments.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Is this actually a real problem? Note it says "forced Copilot features" and > the most popular community discussion in the past 12 months has been a request for a way to block Copilot, the company's AI service, from generating issues and pull requests in code repositories. but Microsoft doesn't automatically make these issues and PRs. Users have to trigger it. I mean, I do think you should be able to block the `copil…

> Is this actually a real problem? I mean if Microsoft is "training" on your source code without consent (and potentially violating licenses) , that is a huge problem. > I also checked the Rust compiler which is obviously waaaay more popular and it appears to have had zero copilot PRs How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)?

> training

Not what this is about.

> How do you asess whether some PR was made by an AI(like the user did)?

Searched for PRs authored by copilot or mentioning copilot.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Ahh, the reason we lost the Vietnam war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/McNamara_fallacy

"AI is the Vietnam of product management" is a blog post that almost writes itself. Not really my field so if anyone wants to take it for a spin, go ham.

Is AI the Vietnam of Product Management in the same way that Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science?

https://web.archive.org/web/20220823105749/http://blogs.tedn...

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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I find it weird how companies talk out both sides of their mouth on AI. On the one hand it's this magical tool that will make you 10x more efficient at your job, and on the other it's something they have to market heavily and shove in your face at every turn - sometimes outright forcing you to engage with it. These two things don't seem compatible - if the tool was that good people would be beating down their doors t…

From Dan Luu ( https://danluu.com/wat/ ): > When I joined this company, my team didn't use version control for months and it was a real fight to get everyone to use version control. Although I won that fight, I lost the fight to get people to run a build, let alone run tests, before checking in, so the build is broken multiple times per day. When I mentioned that I thought this was a problem for our productivity, I w…

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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I bet this was true of computers back in the day too. The processes that are native to computers are magical but adding computers to the old is actually quite bad e.g. paperwork is better done on paper

You bet wrong. Computers were pricey enough that if you want one, you have to really need it to justify the price. It was not forced on any business.

Yep, electronics in general too. People today complain about GPU prices, but that was the norm for everything electronic related.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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"AI is the Vietnam of product management" is a blog post that almost writes itself. Not really my field so if anyone wants to take it for a spin, go ham.

Is AI the Vietnam of Product Management in the same way that Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science? https://web.archive.org/web/20220823105749/http://blogs.tedn...

Yeah that's what I was alluding to.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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How on earth did anyone believe Microsoft was different this time?

How on earth did anyone believe Microsoft was different this time? There's a whole generation on HN who came up after Microsoft's worst phase, and have spent the last five years defending MS on this very forum. They're convinced that any bad thing Microsoft does is a "boomer" grudge, and will defend MS to the end. I hope I'm never so weak-minded that I tie my identity and allegiance to a trillion-dollar company. Or a…

End of the day, PR works. Even in peak “friendly” Microsoft, they were hard nosed and noxious to negotiate with.

Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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From Dan Luu ( https://danluu.com/wat/ ): > When I joined this company, my team didn't use version control for months and it was a real fight to get everyone to use version control. Although I won that fight, I lost the fight to get people to run a build, let alone run tests, before checking in, so the build is broken multiple times per day. When I mentioned that I thought this was a problem for our productivity, I w…

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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They probably get orders from all the way up the food chain to keep the show going. Honestly I think the same thing happened with self-driving cars ~10 years ago. Larry Page and Google's "submarine" marketing convinced investors and CEOs of automakers and tech companies [1] that they were going to become obsolete, and that Google would be taking all that profit. In 2016, GM acquired Cruise for $1 billion or so. It se…

Also, I think Hacker News mostly believed the hype about self-driving cars, with relatively little pushback. Many people were influenced by what the CEOs/investors said, and of course the prospect of jobs and "cool tech" e.g. in 2018, over 7 years ago, I was simply pointing out that people like Chris Urmson (who had WORKED ON self-driving for decades) and Bill Gurley said self-driving would take 25+ years to deploy (…

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Re: Let us git rid of it, angry GitHub users say of forced Copilot features

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Is AI the Vietnam of Product Management in the same way that Object-Relational Mapping is the Vietnam of Computer Science? https://web.archive.org/web/20220823105749/http://blogs.tedn...

Yeah that's what I was alluding to.

A classic of its era, thanks! And there's something enduring about the basic issue of integrating systems that are fundamentally misaligned.
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