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Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

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post #77

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Chisnall has stated several times over on Lobsters that he's thinking of basing is future project on Arcan ( https://arcan-fe.com/ ). It's a very interesting project.

This thing about Arcan is that the writing about it is almost deliberately incomprehensible.

There are yt-videos embedded on the site. They may be helpful.

Otherwise give https://lobste.rs/s/w3zkxx/lobsters_interview_with_bjorn_sta... a try?

Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

#112
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thing about Arcan is that the writing about it is almost deliberately incomprehensible.

There are yt-videos embedded on the site. They may be helpful. Otherwise give https://lobste.rs/s/w3zkxx/lobsters_interview_with_bjorn_sta... a try?

Yes, it's good! And I have a lot of sympathy for what I perceive to be Stahl's goals, and indeed, his methods. But I think I need an intercessor or interpreter to his prose style. This is probably a me problem and not a him problem, to be maximally fair.

Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

#113
post #11

Étoilé was so promising….the idea of using OpenStep (via GNUstep) infrastructure in ways that went beyond NeXTstep or Mac OS X. It felt like an even deeper embrace of the Smalltalk influences of the OpenStep API to enhance the desktop computing experience. Étoilé wasn’t merely a clone of NeXTstep or Mac OS X; it was its own thing that could’ve been a compelling contender to KDE, GNOME, and even macOS. Unfortunately É…

Objective-S builds in these directions, starting with the linguistic foundations. Note: author speaking. Those linguistic foundations take the form of a CLOS-like metaobject protocol, but organized not on OO lines, but rather on software-architectural lines, so including OO as a subset. On top of the metaobject protocol sits a roughly Smalltalk-ish language, with extensions for dataflow ("!", "?", so CSP-inspired, bu…

last time i was looking into this to try myself i never bothered to to check github but today i looked and there it is:

https://github.com/mpw/Objective-Smalltalk

i hope to give this a try soon and learn something new ^^

Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

#114
post #112

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There are yt-videos embedded on the site. They may be helpful. Otherwise give https://lobste.rs/s/w3zkxx/lobsters_interview_with_bjorn_sta... a try?

Yes, it's good! And I have a lot of sympathy for what I perceive to be Stahl's goals, and indeed, his methods. But I think I need an intercessor or interpreter to his prose style. This is probably a me problem and not a him problem, to be maximally fair.

Björn's writing style is intentional. He tries to make it understandable for people that have deeper understanding of the subject, but to keep out the people that doesn't know enough. It's primarily to convey what Arcan is to the people that can do something with Arcan, but to avoid attention that will ultimately lead to flame wars.

Ståhl _hates_ attention, both from being a quite private individual to having problem with weirdos showing up at his apartment when some of his videos have gone viral here on HN. (Everyone's home addresses are public here in Sweden)

Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

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But what if that One Desktop Framework To Rule Them All had sucked? :)

Definitely wouldn't be worse than multiple desktop frameworks that suck.

It definitely would be.

Choice is a defining factor in freedom.

Re: Étoilé – desktop built on GNUStep

#116
post #112

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, it's good! And I have a lot of sympathy for what I perceive to be Stahl's goals, and indeed, his methods. But I think I need an intercessor or interpreter to his prose style. This is probably a me problem and not a him problem, to be maximally fair.

Björn's writing style is intentional. He tries to make it understandable for people that have deeper understanding of the subject, but to keep out the people that doesn't know enough. It's primarily to convey what Arcan is to the people that can do something with Arcan, but to avoid attention that will ultimately lead to flame wars. Ståhl _hates_ attention, both from being a quite private individual to having problem…

Oh man, that's awful.
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