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Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by gloosx »

baq wrote: post #108
gloosx wrote: post #101

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still not profitable? All this revenue is burned on compute

Individual models are probably profitable because why not. Not staying behind is the expensive part.

Expensive part is providing the services at loss to get the biggest part of the market, which is the current state of affairs. At some point the market leader will emerge and it will price things according to the actual cost of running this thing + markup, and ALL efforts would be going into squeezing as much profit as possible from the leading position. At the same time usability and quality would not be priority anymore. We are enjoying the late-capitalism at it's peak here.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by [deleted] »

baq wrote: post #107
bilekas wrote: post #105

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From my perspective, I'm so tired of ads being the main source of revenue on the internet. If they're added to chatgpt for example I will most definitely be moving to another that has no ads. Probably I don't represent the masses but I hate this rush to the bottom with adverts.

Ads are a way to get money from users who don’t want to pay with their money. You can’t beat free on price and crucially you can’t beat free on convenience - paying even 1 cent above free introduces complexity and friction. Solve this and you’ll solve the ad problem, but I’m afraid it isn’t possible because money involves controls and regulations which you can’t weasel out of and not end up in jail.

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Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by hpdigidrifter »

imiric wrote: post #63
unyttigfjelltol wrote: post #53

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If folks corrupt the integrity of LLM responses, as it were, they’ll destroy the value proposition. More likely the model will be payment for low friction enablement of transactions rather than overt steering. Pick Door #1: the LLM states the product is fit for purpose. Pick Door #2: the LLM will directly complete the transaction or close to it.

> If folks corrupt the integrity of LLM responses, as it were, they’ll destroy the value proposition. Highly unlikely. Google's SERP is an ad-infested abomination that sometimes shows useful results, and yet people still use Google Search. The same will happen with LLMs, except in far more subtle and insidious ways. Instead of showing you ads directly, they will be naturally interwoven in conversations, suggestions,…

>yet people still use Google Search

Google search is widely acknowledged as drastically drying up in the last year or so, that's despite more worldwide internet usage.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by verzali »

kridsdale3 wrote: post #15
CyberMacGyver wrote: post #11

At this rate it’s better to start a company and get aquihired vs applying and getting hired. Seems like OpenAI speed ran through the Facebook phase and are out of ideas

Au contraire, based on their recent hires, they're just beginning their Facebook phase. Expect to see a lot of ads 2 years from now, and expect to see a LOT of money being made by the company a year after that. If they can maintain runway until then.

I do what I can to waste OpenAI cash by getting the free version of chatgpt to write dirty limericks about Sam Altman.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by wickedsight »

bilekas wrote: post #105
kridsdale3 wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Au contraire, based on their recent hires, they're just beginning their Facebook phase. Expect to see a lot of ads 2 years from now, and expect to see a LOT of money being made by the company a year after that. If they can maintain runway until then.

From my perspective, I'm so tired of ads being the main source of revenue on the internet. If they're added to chatgpt for example I will most definitely be moving to another that has no ads. Probably I don't represent the masses but I hate this rush to the bottom with adverts.

I was watching a TV show on Prime for the past months. They introduced ads last month and I instantly returned to piracy for this specific show. I hope my main steaming service (for local content) doesn't get the same idea. I'd happily pay extra if they add 4k, but I don't like being extorted into paying (over 50%) more for the same service.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by LewisVerstappen »

CyberMacGyver wrote: post #11

At this rate it’s better to start a company and get aquihired vs applying and getting hired. Seems like OpenAI speed ran through the Facebook phase and are out of ideas

> At this rate it’s better to start a company and get aquihired vs applying and getting hired.

Then do it.

Since when did HN become like Reddit? Always negative about everything?

Feels like all the losers from Reddit have somehow migrated here.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by mrweasel »

liurenju wrote: post #2

I personally enjoy using Alex code even though I also use claude code and cursor. But saw they will join openAi today, and I am wondering whether this is more like joining openAi without an interview or openAi really believes Alex code is an excellent product and would like to integrate the features into their codex?

The word joining always annoys me. I doubt very much that the Alex team is joining OpenAI, they where bought out. Joining implies some sort of semi-equal partnership, which I very much doubt this is.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by aucisson_masque »

baq wrote: post #107
bilekas wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From my perspective, I'm so tired of ads being the main source of revenue on the internet. If they're added to chatgpt for example I will most definitely be moving to another that has no ads. Probably I don't represent the masses but I hate this rush to the bottom with adverts.

Ads are a way to get money from users who don’t want to pay with their money. You can’t beat free on price and crucially you can’t beat free on convenience - paying even 1 cent above free introduces complexity and friction. Solve this and you’ll solve the ad problem, but I’m afraid it isn’t possible because money involves controls and regulations which you can’t weasel out of and not end up in jail.

What about tiers like YouTube lite where you pay and you still see advertisement ?

How does that fit in your price model because to me it makes no sense at all yet people buy that. Same for Netflix tier with ads.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by baq »

gloosx wrote: post #111
baq wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Individual models are probably profitable because why not. Not staying behind is the expensive part.

Expensive part is providing the services at loss to get the biggest part of the market, which is the current state of affairs. At some point the market leader will emerge and it will price things according to the actual cost of running this thing + markup, and ALL efforts would be going into squeezing as much profit as possible from the leading position. At the same time usability and quality would not be priority an…

I'm just saying what Anthropic is saying: individual models are printing money. The problem is all the capital needed to get the next model before the previous ones are obsolete; investors capitalize the business because the future models are expected to print even more money, at least a few months ago. It's increasingly obvious that the new models won't print as much money as expected to justify the expenses, but if they all stopped training today they'd be swimming in cash in a couple years.

Re: We're Joining OpenAI

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Post by baq »

aucisson_masque wrote: post #118
baq wrote: post #107

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ads are a way to get money from users who don’t want to pay with their money. You can’t beat free on price and crucially you can’t beat free on convenience - paying even 1 cent above free introduces complexity and friction. Solve this and you’ll solve the ad problem, but I’m afraid it isn’t possible because money involves controls and regulations which you can’t weasel out of and not end up in jail.

What about tiers like YouTube lite where you pay and you still see advertisement ? How does that fit in your price model because to me it makes no sense at all yet people buy that. Same for Netflix tier with ads.

There's money to take, maybe, so why not take it.
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