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New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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For me, the sad part about dying isn’t the loss of agency in the world as much as missing the rest of the movie. At 43 I already feel like I’ve mostly realized my potential and I’m just here to raise my kids and then I become a burden. But I really want to know what happens next!

Your never done raising your kids regardless of how old they are.

so if i had kids that would mean planning to maintain a decades old Minecraft server to play with them?

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

#112

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Two points: (1) Yes we do have an example: us. Why is a baby’s cells young and healthy, and not the age of the parents? Dormant eggs are not the answer as you’d still get accumulating damage over time. Turns out there are mechanisms for cellular reprogramming which rejuvenates cells. There are mechanisms for making ages cells indistinguishable from young cells. We just haven’t fully harnessed this capability on thera…

> No physical law prevents restoring tissue to healthy young state. We just haven’t developed the tools to do so (yet) You’re speculating too far beyond what we know to speak so definitively. Plenty of biology and even thermodynamics suggests there may be limits. That doesn’t prove they exist. But it’s in the same category as saying there are no know physics which prohibit time travel or transcending the human condit…

The difference between healthy young cells and diseased old cells is no more or less than the difference in configurations of atoms.

Diseased old cells have accumulated damage in a multitude of different forms, as well as accumulated junk. Fix the errors and remove the junk. It is as easy and as hard as that.

Nothing in thermodynamics or organic chemistry prevents this from being possible in principle.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

#113
post #34

There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.

>There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely Given that that the universe hasn't an indefinite life span there is at least physical reason why we can't live indefinitely.

Indefinite doesn’t mean infinite.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

#114
post #32

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You're not dreaming big enough. "Accept death, it's beautiful" is cope. It's not beautiful. It's suboptimal horror. I find it offensive that so many "universe experiencing itself" entities willingly accept a return to dust. Our sun dies, and with it everything on this planet will become metal inclusions in a decaying solar body. You know what doesn't matter in light of that? All other perspectives. Every other concep…

>Something from earth should conquer the vastness of spacetime and physics. I hear this claim often, but I never hear any particular reason for why it's so important compared to e.g. letting Alpha Centauri colonize where the lightcones overlap.

There no one on Alpha Centauri

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

#117

There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.

> no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old We don’t know this. We know of no creatures as biologically complex as humans that demonstrate biological immortality. That might be because nature never bothered. It might be because it can’t. But you are generally correct: we have strong evidence healthspan-increasing interventions are not only poss…

It doesn’t really matter. If you can exist as a 25 year-old, there is some change you can make to your body and cells that will indefinitely preserve that. It may not be within our grasp for maybe even up to another century, but it truly is inevitable.

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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I was walking on the street the other day. It was fine summer, and I saw so many elderly walking outside. All of them were using one type of aid or another; some even had a social worker at their side. As I saw them, I was thinking that my 63% marginal tax was paying for it, while I part with 25% of my income after taxes to pay my mom’s pension. That monetary cost is nothing, I would gladly pay it for the rest of my life if it could give my mom a good life for that long. Her old age is my single biggest source of stress.

In the political sphere, some countries are tearing themselves apart on the question of immigration and identity. But immigration is the only thing that can replenish their workforce.

So, we are paying an extremely high cost for letting God go on with His Slow Tormentous Cooking of Souls before Consumption, and things are only going to get worse, given the demographic expectations. Wouldn’t it make sense to put a big chunk of budget into creating life-extension tech?

Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

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What about quality of life adjusted life years? I don’t want to live to 100 and be miserable for the last 30 But if you can get me 90 years where I feel like a spring chicken until 89, then that’s just fine.

Yes, the term is “health span” and that’s basically what everyone is talking about every single time you read an article on the subject.

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Re: New research reveals longevity gains slowing, life expectancy of 100 unlikely

#120

There is no physical/chemical/biological reason you can’t live indefinitely with the health and vitality of a 25-35 year old. Aging isn’t a law of nature.

You haven’t quite come to grips with mortality, I think.

I don't see the point in doing that
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