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Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by justsomehnguy » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 7:38 PM UTC

joecool1029 wrote: post #85

ahartmetz wrote: post #18

Install "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC" if you don't mind buying grey market keys. Less crapware, more mature and less enshittified than 11, and security fixes until 2032. I don't want to endorse Windows at all (use Linux if you can!). But maybe you need it to occasionally test something or whatever.

Weirdly enough I had one of those 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC systems kill a SSD in the past month, bad blocks. Intel 520 180GB. Probably coincidence but I figured I'd mention since this was also a system with a large OST file in use.

> Intel 520 180GB

Sorry but this drive is almost 15 years old.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by dijit » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 9:42 PM UTC

rasz wrote: post #105

pjdesno wrote: post #103

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One of the Japanese sites has a list of SSDs that people have observed the problem on - most of them seem to be dramless, especially if "Phison PS5012-E12" is an error. (PS5012-E12S is the dramless version) Then again, I think dramless SSDs represent a large fraction of the consumer SSD market, so they'd probably be well-represented no matter what causes the issue. Finally, I'll point out that there's a lot of nonsen…

I dont buy this. There are plenty of dramless SATA SSDs which should be impossible if your description was correct, not to mention DRAMless drives working just fine inside USB-NVME enclosures. >but gets huge for a modern SSD (1+GB per TB of SSD) except most drives allocate 64MB thru HMB. Do you know of any NVME drives that steal Gigabytes of ram? Afaik Windows limits HMB to ~200MB? >Finally, I'll point out that there…

but isn’t it the case that SATA devices must receive AT commands to the disk controller while NVMe is mapped directly to the CPU?

Surely that distinction would make one more vulnerable to corruption than the other?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by gradientsrneat » Thu, Aug 28, 2025, 10:20 PM UTC

Didn't this patch already get automatically reverted by Windows Update?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by mikewarot » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 2:09 AM UTC

So the thing we learn from this is that apparently there's now an SSD version of WinModems[1]. The lesson from the 1990s needs to be re-learned.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Softmodem

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by ThePowerOfFuet » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 2:59 AM UTC

BoredPositron wrote: post #86

plipt wrote: post #84

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Maybe you know this but Bazzite works perfectly well as a standard Linux desktop operating system. It comes with a non-gaming desktop environment and can be setup to boot directly into that desktop environment. It just defaults to the steam gaming interface.

It's an immutable distribution...

So? Kinoite is my main desktop and I love it. KDE is creating a new Arch-based distro which will also be immutable.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by bpye » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 3:14 AM UTC

4ggr0 wrote: post #31

ahartmetz wrote: post #18

Install "Windows 10 IoT Enterprise 2021 LTSC" if you don't mind buying grey market keys. Less crapware, more mature and less enshittified than 11, and security fixes until 2032. I don't want to endorse Windows at all (use Linux if you can!). But maybe you need it to occasionally test something or whatever.

Even though I professionally work with Linux I still don't trust it enough for gaming. I know that Steam does great things with Proton, my issue is that I'm not the type of gamer who constantly plays the same game - Play a game for how long the story or my interests lasts, then switch to the next game. And after a whole day of debugging and hair pulling at work I just don't feel like then also debugging why a game is…

I’ve run games on Linux with success but these days do most gaming in a Windows VM with an assigned GPU - and it works very well.

Yeah aggressive anticheat won’t work - but I don’t care much about multiplayer these days, and have consoles to play on if I really want.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by BobbyTables2 » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 3:23 AM UTC

How does one detect a DRAM-less SSD? (From Linux?)

And how does such a thing reserve host RAM?

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by kimixa » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 4:45 AM UTC

RedShift1 wrote: post #101

toast0 wrote: post #99

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I've seen lots of SSDs die suddenly (no longer visible on the bus), so I would assume that is what is happening based on the words people are using. I've yet to see an SSD fail to read only mode like they're supposed to... and there's rarely any warning, just working or dead (although I did have a couple that went from working to terribly slow while doing a large reallocation, and we replaced those rather than find o…

Failing to read-only is only an Intel thing, I've not seen any other SSD do that...

I had a Crucial drive fail to read-only.

I got the data off, but most of the data wasn't really that important so there might have been dead regions.

I feel that many consumers won't really know if it's still readable, I'd suggest that 90% of people just have a single drive, and windows doesn't cope with a non-writable root drive particularly well.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by BoredPositron » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 6:42 AM UTC

ThePowerOfFuet wrote: post #115

BoredPositron wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's an immutable distribution...

So? Kinoite is my main desktop and I love it. KDE is creating a new Arch-based distro which will also be immutable.

>> Maybe you know this but Bazzite works perfectly well as a standard Linux desktop operating system.

STANDARD - it's not and I hate people that pretend that they are. It's that easy.

Re: Windows 11 Update KB5063878 Causing SSD Failures

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Post by firesteelrain » Fri, Aug 29, 2025, 12:57 PM UTC

uyzstvqs wrote: post #93

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #5

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>But what's actually happening? There seems to be a lack of technical information. That's also what I want to know. All the information on this topic seems to be just circular anecdotes like a snake eating its own tail: a bunch of anecdotal reddit posts, quoting a Tom's hardware article, that's quoting more anecdotal reddit posts, that's quoting one Japanese tweet of someone's speculation. Like how many of these SSD…

Right. It could just be the usual suspects of misinformation (Reddit, click-hungry "journalists", certain YouTube/Tiktok creators) amplifying each other in a circle. Just like that "16 billion passwords data leak" earlier this year. There is probably something going on. It could very well just be a bad batch of SSD controllers from one manufacturer failing.

Or some weird conspiracy