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Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#111
I'm sure there are a lot of people like me that question if keeping bookmarks is actually worth it anymore. I personally found that taking action and writing a blurb about neat things I find helps me remember it more even if I never use the bookmark/paste/share directly again.

The more mental effort put towards something, the easier it is to remember.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#112

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

This feels like it relates to why for many Tabs seem to be the "new" bookmarks. Browser bookmark UX stagnated at some point in the 90s, but tab UX keeps improving. Especially on mobile devices, tabs keep screenshots of at least their last state. Users often have a general sense of time from their order of tabs.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#113

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a reliable standard to do this across browser vendors and versions and not have to rely on a proprietary cloud implementation on somebody's server?

I think bookmarks.html is pretty standard.

I was talking about a standard to connect to a (vendor-agnostic) bookmark sync server.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#114
post #83

The underappreciated .url file / [InternetShortcut] format seems like a much better fit for this: 1. 20+ years of OS support for double-click to open 2. It already supports an embedded title. 3. It's basically just INI/TOML, so you can add custom fields that get ignored by parsers. Want to embed a screenshot? Just append Screenshot=B64(data). Want to add tags? Same deal. You can also organise them as files in...folde…

> It's basically just INI/TOML That’s a dealbreaker for me. I like something that I can use grep and other Unix utilities on. There’s a reason that the tabular style formats of /etc/passwd, crontab and inetd exist. > You can also organise them as files in...folders. +1 on this concept, though. For some reason folks forget that the filesystem is a pretty decent hierarchical database!

I have tool creating html files like this:

https://www.someurl.com' " />

upon opening these htmls , the browser just redirects to the actual url.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#115

this is interesting but anyone has tried to create a small scale version of their own search engine using only their bookmark links. I am surprised why that's not more common. If someone has 5k+ bookmark links and wants only results from those links given a query, it should be straightforward.

YaCy.net does something like this AFAIR

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#116

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

> better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside the bookmark instead.

I've been using Zotero for that, but I again wish we had a browser maker that was concerned about users, and felt their only goal was to give the user as much control and ability as they can handle, and as much protection as they ask for.

Sadly, Zotero and a lot of other software in that line is built with no thought to speed, I think more than a few thousand entries will make it impossible to open, browse, or search. This seems to be a commonality of all of this type of software; that it isn't really meant to be used.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#117
post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The thing is - I just saved bookmarks, I never really utilised them ever, to find something, to go back to. You're not describing a bookmarks issue. You're describing a personal organization issue, which is reflected on how you manage bookmarks. You're voicing the exact same sort of complains often directed at todo lists. In fact, from your description you're implicitly treating bookmarks as ad-hoc Todo lists, and…

Because it represents wasted time and cognitive load. It's a vestigial habit from an era when search was bad. Between (AI) search and browser history, I don't see much need for bookmarks.

I come across things via other channels than search (Hacker News, e.g.), which I have some vague memory of, but which I would never be able to find again via search. This is the role bookmarks fill for me.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#118

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

This feels like it relates to why for many Tabs seem to be the "new" bookmarks. Browser bookmark UX stagnated at some point in the 90s, but tab UX keeps improving. Especially on mobile devices, tabs keep screenshots of at least their last state. Users often have a general sense of time from their order of tabs.

Maybe I'm just getting old, but I love bookmarks. They allow me to keep a long history of things I've found that are interesting, or useful, or otherwise important. I have hundreds of bookmarks that I may not be using right now but end up being useful years later.

To me they're completely different purposes. Tabs are short term - for whatever you're working on right now. It's like a short-term cache, a worktable to keep everything in your head right now easily accessible.

Bookmarks are long term, like a filing cabinet. You may not be using it today, but you want to hold onto it for later.

If I had to use either one for the other purpose, it would suck.

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#119
Interesting. The first thing I've realized is that I need to stop looking for an all in one solution, and that for me it will be healthy to distinguish "curated" from "non-curated."

I've solved the "non-curated" with Karakeep; especially its AI autotagging.

Now I have to figure out the next thing I want, which is a self-hosted service that

- saves bookmarks, duh

- saves "readability" style copies (no need for other stuff, I just need text)

- some decent method of collections beyond just tags

and the last thing that is very oddly rare

- publically accessible WITHOUT login (this is partly for publishing readings to classes I teach)

I can't find a sweetspot of all of these, may have to just build it myself?

Re: Bookmarks.txt is a concept of keeping URLs in plain text files

#120

I think this is going in the wrong direction. While cool URIs don't change [0], many URLs that you'd like to bookmark are not cool. So for bookmarks to be useful long-term you need to store much more data than just the URL. At the very least you need a timestamp to be able to find the resource you wanted to bookmark on the Internet Archive in the future. But better would be to save a snapshot of the site alongside th…

Good points. I use Evernote Web Clipper to save pages for a similar reason. Having the content not just the URL also means it's easily searchable.

Being able to save a page also seems to be against the interests of publishers now - they would rather you revisit the page than have a copy. Substack for example seems to try to block the web clipper because you could clip paid articles and read them after your subscription lapses.

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