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The MiniPC Revolution

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Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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Does anyone have recommendation for a mini PC with min 2 sata ports for two 3.5” HDDs, min 2 NVMe for ssd storage, one ssd or eMMC for OS, and 64GB of RAM, with the ability to power up the HDDs from the miniPC (not requiring external power source)? The HDDs are installed in a case externally. An external PCIe slot to support those 4 mixed drives via an adapter would work too. I tend to avoid usb HDDs enclosures, sinc…

That's a NAS. Just get a 2 bay NAS.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

#112
post #51

Counterpoints: - Specs are too limited for my needs (storage capacity for backup / home NAS purposes; compute power for local AI work; throughput for local high speed network traffic shaping; etc) - can't upgrade over time (right now I'm averaging 15 years for my boxes, with incremental upgrades like storage, RAID adapters, memory, CPU etc, and I don't need to go through the days-long hassle of reformatting, reinstal…

I'm thinking of a beefy mini-PC + USB-C 8+ hard drive enclosure. I feel like I rarely upgraded anything except GPU and storage. And GPU's are not needed for a server. Enclosure means easy storage upgrade and I can always reattach the enclosure to another machine quickly. Might even install OS on the enclosure, then the whole setup will survive compute upgrades until the predominant architecture changes.

I tend to want to keep storage (NAS) separate from compute and databases, in the form of I never want to touch or think about this so I can spend my time on other things.

Having a couple of pre-built nas' from QNAP or Synology can go a long way to getting one's feet wet to learn what they offer that we sometimes learn the hard way about.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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I want one for gaming , that is silent, provides high end graphics, and takes little space ( Mac mini or studio size ideally ). I’m essentially willing to pay extra for a specced up gaming console.

I still haven’t been able to find something that fits the bill - the hardest part to get information on is noise, since most people don’t seem to care about it or just play with headphones. I understand that such a product is hard to build, with a direct tension between power, space and noise.

What has never been clear to me is whether such a market even exists and I’d tend to say no, even if the market seems to be changing rapidly with amd apus ( we’re far from a 5080 , but it seems to be a step in the right direction ).

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #21

I have a homelab which is a zimaboard, a dumb netgear switch, and six mini-pc's (5560U/16GB/500GB). The zimaboard runs pfsense & an nginx reverse proxy, then all six of the mini-pcs run proxmox. 4 mini-pcs run k8s clusters (talos) and the other two run home services and selected one-offs (home-assistant, plex, bookstack, build-tools, gitea, origin servers for a subset of projects). It was a lot easier to set up than…

This does sound like a massive PITA. what is the point of it? What are you using it for?

It's not a PITA at all. I followed a few youtube videos and had Proxmox up and running and was a little shocked that the inter node/server settings were largely point and click.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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> Put that in perspective with high-end machines with hardware concerned with performance and not power draw, that can easily idle at 100W. I've been trying to optimize my desktop's power consumption. At the beginning of the year I put the kill-a-watt on it and was shocked to see it was using 115W idle! I got it to 90W pretty quickly with some minor Linux tuning but was still pretty unhappy to see so much idle load.…

I basically did the same thing for my recent SFF PC build. I underclocked the max clock speed of the CPU in the BIOS and set the max wattage to 65. I then set the power limit of the GPU to 70. The fans barely run even when gaming and it stays nice and cool, not affecting the room temperature during the summor.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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Been running a variety of them (+SBCs) for years, but recently decided it's time for a full sized build too. For stuff like setting up virtualized k8s cluster via terraform my oldish minipc style setup was struggling noticeably with deploying lots of VMs in parallel.

So either buy one of these new very fancy minipc (ms-01 etc) or DIY. End up landing on 2nd hand AM4 hardware but with 2nd hand enterprise SSDs and optanes. And that's been perfect. Competent at virtualization (5700X) and the hybrid enterprise ssd/optane array will take endless punishment.

That said not abandoning the minipcs & SBCs. 3 raspberries for HA k8s controlplane, low power minipc to keep home assistant and adguard live 24/7 etc.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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Counterpoints: - Specs are too limited for my needs (storage capacity for backup / home NAS purposes; compute power for local AI work; throughput for local high speed network traffic shaping; etc) - can't upgrade over time (right now I'm averaging 15 years for my boxes, with incremental upgrades like storage, RAID adapters, memory, CPU etc, and I don't need to go through the days-long hassle of reformatting, reinstal…

Minisforum ms-a2 afaik can hit a lot of those requirements unless you need to fit a big GPU or a lot of spinning rust

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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I want one for gaming , that is silent, provides high end graphics, and takes little space ( Mac mini or studio size ideally ). I’m essentially willing to pay extra for a specced up gaming console. I still haven’t been able to find something that fits the bill - the hardest part to get information on is noise, since most people don’t seem to care about it or just play with headphones. I understand that such a product…

You are going to be limited by your GPU, I think. The power and heat requirements for a high end GPU are going to be hard to fit into a small enough form factor.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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I want one for gaming , that is silent, provides high end graphics, and takes little space ( Mac mini or studio size ideally ). I’m essentially willing to pay extra for a specced up gaming console. I still haven’t been able to find something that fits the bill - the hardest part to get information on is noise, since most people don’t seem to care about it or just play with headphones. I understand that such a product…

If you don’t mind to DIY, consider assembling a mini-ITX PC.

Re: The MiniPC Revolution

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post #109
post #13

I agree and already got two minipcs I selfhost a lot of stuff now. I just now realized it is basically the future Gabe Newell predicted and wanted to make with Steam Machines [1], but he was wrong by targeting gamers and a little too early (perhaps?). Maybe they will succeed precisely because of this revolution. I got soooo tired setting up a gaming system for parties on my projector. There are so many various proble…

Self-hosting has become orders of magnitude easier and simpler over the past 5-10 years.

I just set up mine in one day, setting *arrs and Jellyfin and voila i got streaming service better than all payed streaming services combined and no ads.
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