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4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Ajedi32 »

_heimdall wrote: post #30
zdragnar wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tariff was oppressive in large part because the colonies didn't have representation in Parliament and were allowed limited (and decreasing) local governance. The Stamp, Townshend and Intolerable Acts were a whole lot more than just "we don't wanna pay taxes".

A similar argument can be made against the tariffs though. US consumers will be paying the bulk of the tariffs through price increases. We do have representatives in Congress, they just weren't the ones imposing tariffs. edit: as fun as silent down votes are, it would be interesting to hear where you might disagree

I fully agree tariffs should be the purview of Congress, but that's not a "similar argument". Trump was elected just as Congress was.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by sokka_h2otribe »

lm28469 wrote: post #68
fruitworks wrote: post #41

I wouldn't be so sure it's an ideological stand. 4chan got hacked a while back because they were running a totally outdated software stack. It's been pretty much abandoned by its owner hiromoot. If they aren't going to update the site for basic maintainance, they definitely aren't going to implement all this chat control/ age verification bullcrap. I suppose a resistance to change is good when your competitors are bu…

You can ban 75% of the web if your concern is outdated tech stacks and/or data breaches

I think they're saying that 4chan is not responding bc there is limited people at the helm, not that the UK gov is upset at their security.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

lokar wrote: post #77
sunshine-o wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the only power they have left. The UK government has lost control of what happen in the physical world on their own island so now the bureaucrats play a fantasy game where they are gonna enforce their rules and dominion in their former colonies or the digital world.

While I disapprove of what the gov is doing here, I think it’s incorrect and unhelpful to put all the blame on them. AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

> AIUI, the UK is a democracy and these policies are generally supported by the voters.

When were UK citizens polled on these policies before politicians started enforcing them? And I think after Brexit, the UK government learned never to ask the opinions of their citizens again, because they will vote in direct opposition of the political status quo out of sheer spite of their politicians.

There are huge flaws with our current democratic systems: like sure we can vote, but after the people we vote for get into power, we have no control over what they do until next election cycle. So you can be a democracy on paper while your government is doing things you don't approve of.

Most people I talk to in the west, both here in Europe and in North America, don't seem to approve of what their government is doing on important topics, and at the same time they feel hopeless in being able to change that because either the issues are never on the table, or if they are, the politicians do a 180 once they get voted to power or forget about them because political promises are worthless and non-binding, meaning they lied themselves into power.

So given these issues ask yourself, is that really a true democracy, or just an illusion of choice of direction while you're actually riding a trolly track?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by stuartjohnson12 »

jdietrich wrote: post #92
123pie123 wrote: post #80

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really? From my anecdotal evidence, is that it's fucking stupid and hated

Weirdly, the majority of the British public a) support age verification, b) aren't willing to use age verification themselves and c) don't think it'll actually work. https://www.ipsos.com/en-uk/britons-back-online-safety-acts-...

The phrasing on these polls is really unhelpful because it doesn't include the actor.

"To what extent do you support or oppose the introduction of age verification checks to access platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, and pornography"

is like asking me

"To what extent do you support the detainment of people suspected of theft"

and then concluding I support vigilante mobs dragging people out of their homes when I answer in the affirmative. The means IS the question - the sad meltdown we're all about to witness as the UK government realises their lack of jurisdiction is because the actor is wrong, not because the end is wrong.

The phrasing should be "To what extent do you support or oppose the British government enforcing the introduction of age verification checks to access platforms that may host content related to suicide, self-harm, eating disorders, and pornography"

Forcing major device manufacturers to implement these content blocks to a certain level of rigour is the obvious, enforceable, effective, minimally invasive way to achieve this entirely reasonable goal. I can believe that pornography consumption by preteens is not a good thing and that this implementation is stupid at the same time.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by dijit »

lokar wrote: post #85
123pie123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? From my anecdotal evidence, is that it's fucking stupid and hated

They have fair and competitive elections, no?

our two party system means that more often than not you are voting against some party having power.

The left wing has been vote split for some time, now the tight wing is getting vote split.

It’s not a fair characterisation to say that the UK government is popular, the last actually popular government was probably Tony Blair (though many regret him in hindsight), though Boris had his followers I guess.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by crtasm »

f33d5173 wrote: post #91
crtasm wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not the only card according to the article >"Ofcom can instead ask a court to order other services to disrupt a provider's UK business, such as requiring a service's removal from search results or blocking of UK payments.

>or blocking of uk payments Lol

Do we think anyone in the UK is paying to advertise to the UK demographic noted on https://www.4chan.org/advertise ?

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by general1726 »

nickdothutton wrote: post #22

Step 1, pass law. Step 2, demand compliance. Step 3, upon not hearing of compliance, levy fines. Step 4, upon non payment of fines, declare in breach of (2). Step 5, block site from UK using DNS, in the same manner as torrent sites etc. 5 was always the goal, 2 to 4 are largely just performative.

Step 5 is problematic because when people won't put www.4chan.com but will type 4chan into address bar (90% users are doing exactly that) it will trigger search and will easily find some AMPed URL, URL shortener or subdomain to click on.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by Eddy_Viscosity2 »

lokar wrote: post #85
123pie123 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

really? From my anecdotal evidence, is that it's fucking stupid and hated

They have fair and competitive elections, no?

Western democracies have fair and competitive elections in the same way they have fair and competitive markets for things like internet access or mobile phones. You are effectively only allowed to choose between a very carefully managed set of choice that are provided to you. This set of choices is often so dire and distant from people's actual desires that many just don't bother voting at all.

George Carlin used the analogy of restaurant to modern democracy. You have the appearance of choice because you are handed a menu where you can choose liberal or conversative or green party, etc. But all of the actual policies and laws are drawn up by the same chefs in the back and you eat what you are served.

Re: 4chan will refuse to pay daily online safety fines, lawyer tells BBC

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Post by greenavocado »

firesteelrain wrote: post #38
speedylight wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think eventually we will reach a point where laws like the Online Safety Act become so prevalent that it is basically impossible to comply with all of them simultaneously and still have a unified internet across the globe. I wouldn’t be surprised if in 10 years or so every country has its own version of the internet only intended for their own people.

We do still have limited entry and exit points to other Countries internets. You could end up with Great Firewalls across the globe if it got bad enough. It doesn’t deter VPNs though

They will put you behind bars for years for using VPNs once they win.
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