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Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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post #57

The Indian IT sector is almost certainly going to be decimated (at least in its current form), and we haven’t really wrapped our heads around what that means for the world’s fourth-largest economy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CK-gnW3f-q0

Indian IT sector in nutshell : https://youtu.be/LWfFD4DiUiA?si=VCpWVx_cKKCqCBxH&t=496

what this person has started is being done by WITCH companies at largest scale and most fraudulent way possible

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#112
post #78

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Except AI support agents are only using content that is already available in support knowledge bases, making the entire exercise futile and redundant. But sure, they're eloquent while wasting your time.

There are AI agents that train from knowledge bases but also keep improving on actual conversations. For example, our Mava bot actually learns from mods directly within Discord servers. So it's not about replacing human mods but assist them so they can take better care of users in the end.

I don't see how this is any different than enriching knowledge bases from feedback and experience. You just find yourself duplicating all the information, locking yourself in your AI vendor and investing in a technology that doesn't add anything to what you had before. It's utterly nonsensical.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#113

I can see this. We employ a lot of off shore for what we call support engineering. Things like jdk upgrades or cert updates. It’s grunt work that lets higher paid engineers utilize their time on business value work. As AI continues to grow in scope, it will surely commandeer much of this. Employing a human is more expensive when compared to compute for these tasks at a certain scale.

Can I ask how the offshore team manages to deploy these changes? What skills are required for such a role in support engineering?

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#114
post #78

AI is already so much better than 99% of customer support employees. It also improves brand reputation by actually paying attention to what customers are saying and responding in a timely manner, with expert-level knowledge, unlike typical customer service reps. I've used LLMs to help me fix Windows issues using pretty advanced methods, that MS employees would have just told me to either re-install Windows or send th…

Except AI support agents are only using content that is already available in support knowledge bases, making the entire exercise futile and redundant. But sure, they're eloquent while wasting your time.

"Only" kind of misses the benefit though. I'm very bearish on "AI", but this is an absolutely perfect use case for LLMs. The issue is that if you describe a problem in natural language on any search engine, your results are going to be garbage unless you randomly luckboxed into somebody asking, with near identical verbiage, the question on some Q&A site.

That is because search is still mostly stuck in ~2003. But now ask the exact same thing of an LLM and it will generally be able to provide useful links. There's just so much information out there, but search engines just suck because they lack any sort of meaningful natural language parsing. LLMs provide that.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#115
post #79

AI is already so much better than 99% of customer support employees. It also improves brand reputation by actually paying attention to what customers are saying and responding in a timely manner, with expert-level knowledge, unlike typical customer service reps. I've used LLMs to help me fix Windows issues using pretty advanced methods, that MS employees would have just told me to either re-install Windows or send th…

This is great but most customer support is actually designed as a “speed bump” for customers. Cancel account- have them call someone. Withdraw too much - make it a phone call. Change their last name? - that would overwhelm our software, let’s have our operator do that after they call in. Etc.

>Change their last name? - that would overwhelm our software, let’s have our operator do that after they call in.

That doesn't make much sense. Either your system can handle it or it can't. Putting a support agent in front isn't going to change that.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#116
post #34

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Have you used a whiteboard recently? It sucks. Writing anything significant takes forever, there’s no undo or redo, difficult to save and version. There’s just no way it’s better.

It takes forever to make a beautiful diagram, but the usual flow is that you have your presentation for the base idea, and then when the questions come, you can all grab a marker and start making a mess on the boards around the room. We also have one in the dev room, which is nice for smaller topics. It's not meant to be the actual documentation, and it makes sense to me since you don't want to write the actual docum…

I do the same with Lucid App shared on Zoom. I have the base diagram in Lucid and I start making changes during the meeting and adding sticky notes docs.

> It's not meant to be the actual documentation, and it makes sense to me since you don't want to write the actual documentation during the discussion with multiple highly paid devs and managers. Just take a photo at the end, and it's saved for when you make the documentation.

This is 2025, over Zoom, we use Gong, it records, transcribes and summarizes the action items and key discussion points. No need to take notes.

My diagrams are already in Lucid with notes

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#117
post #31

AI is going to force the issue of having to deal with the inequity in our economic system. And my belief is that this confrontation will be violent and many people are going to die. The fundamental issue is wealth inequality. The ultimate forms of wealth redistribution are war and revolution. I personally believe we are already beyond the point where electoral politics can solve this issue and a violent resolution is…

These are common simple Marxist points you are bringing up.

Your point hinges on: declining material conditions.

It is completely false - the conditions are pretty great for everyone. People have good wages relatively but sure inequality is increasing.

Since your main point is incorrect I don’t think your other points follow.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

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No war but class war. Not sure how long it will take for a critical mass to realize that that we are in a class war, and placing the blame on anything else won't solve the problem. IOW, I agree with you, I also think we are beyond the point where electoral politics can solve it - we have full regulatory capture by the wealthy now. When governments can force striking workers back to work, workers have zero power. What…

You write as though "the wealthy" are a unified group acting in concert. They're not; they're just like everyone else in that regard, acting in their own, mostly short to medium term best interest. Seems like a pretty ordinary tragedy of the commons type of situation.

Oh I strongly disagree. If there's one thing the wealthy have is an intense class solidarity. They're fully aware of the power of class solidarity. You might see conflicts on the fringes but when the shit hits the fan, they will absolutely stick together.

They're so aware of the power of class solidarity that they've designed society to ensure that there is no class solidarity among the working class. All of the hot button social issues are intentionally divisive to avoid class solidarity.

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#119
post #110

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What you are saying is not intuitive. Software engineers are a cost to software companies. With automation the profits would increase so I’m not sure how it can lead to recession.

They used the word in an irregular way. They meant a decline in software company revenue, not an economic recession. You might well see more software profits if costs go down but less revenue. Depends on Jevon's paradox really

No this doesn’t make sense either. Why would Amazon‘s profits go down if their engineers are cheaper?

Re: AI is predominantly replacing outsourced, offshore workers

#120

AI is already so much better than 99% of customer support employees. It also improves brand reputation by actually paying attention to what customers are saying and responding in a timely manner, with expert-level knowledge, unlike typical customer service reps. I've used LLMs to help me fix Windows issues using pretty advanced methods, that MS employees would have just told me to either re-install Windows or send th…

When asking customers how well they were helped by the customer support system (via CSAT score), I've found industry-standard AI support agents will generally perform worse than a well-trained human support team. AI agents are fine at handling some simple queries, e.g. basic product and order informatino, but support issues are often biased towards high complexity, because otherwise they could solve it in a more automated. I'm sure it depends on the industry, and whether the customer's issue is truly novel.
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