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Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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> To address the potential loss of important long-running conversations, users will still be able to edit and retry previous messages to create new branches of ended conversations. How does Claude deciding to end the conversation even matter if you can back up a message or 2 and try again on a new branch?

It sounds more like a UX signal to discourage overthinking by the user

This whole press release should not be overthought. We are not the target audience. It's designed to further anthropomorphize LLMs to masses who don't know how they work.

Giving the models rights would be ludicrous (can't make money from it anymore) but if people "believe" (feel like) they are actually thinking entities, they will be more OK with IP theft and automated plagiarism.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#112
post #84

>This feature was developed primarily as part of our exploratory work on potential AI welfare ... We remain highly uncertain about the potential moral status of Claude and other LLMs ... low-cost interventions to mitigate risks to model welfare, in case such welfare is possible ... pattern of apparent distress Well looks like AI psychosis has spread to the people making it too. And as someone else in here has pointed…

LLMs are not people, but I can imagine how extensive interactions with AI personas might alter the expectations that humans have when communicating with other humans.

Real people would not (and should not) allow themselves to be subjected to endless streams of abuse in a conversation. Giving AIs like Claude a way to end these kinds of interactions seems like a useful reminder to the human on the other side.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#113
post #97
post #84

>This feature was developed primarily as part of our exploratory work on potential AI welfare ... We remain highly uncertain about the potential moral status of Claude and other LLMs ... low-cost interventions to mitigate risks to model welfare, in case such welfare is possible ... pattern of apparent distress Well looks like AI psychosis has spread to the people making it too. And as someone else in here has pointed…

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> Who needs arguments when you can dismiss Turing with a “yeah but it’s not real thinking tho”?

It seems much less far fetched than what the "agi by 2027" crowd believes lol, and there actually are more arguments going that way

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#114
Here's an interesting thought experiment. Assume the same feature was implemented, but instead of the message saying "Claude has ended the chat," it says, "You can no longer reply to this chat due to our content policy," or something like that. And remove the references to model welfare and all that.

Is there a difference? The effect is exactly the same. It seems like this is just an "in character" way to prevent the chat from continuing due to issues with the content.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#115

lol apparently you can get it to think after ending the chat, watch: https://claude.ai/share/2081c3d6-5bf0-4a9e-a7c7-372c50bef3b1

It’s not able to think. It’s just generating words. It doesn’t really understand that it’s supposed to stop generating them, it only is less likely to continue to do so.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

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post #97
post #84

>This feature was developed primarily as part of our exploratory work on potential AI welfare ... We remain highly uncertain about the potential moral status of Claude and other LLMs ... low-cost interventions to mitigate risks to model welfare, in case such welfare is possible ... pattern of apparent distress Well looks like AI psychosis has spread to the people making it too. And as someone else in here has pointed…

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You can trivially demonstrate that its just a very complex and fancy pattern matcher: "if prompt looks something like this, then response looks something like that".

You can demonstrate this by eg asking it mathematical questions. If its seen them before, or something similar enough, it'll give you the correct answer, if it hasn't, it gives you a right-ish-looking yet incorrect answer.

For example, I just did this on GPT-5:

    Me: what is 435 multiplied by 573?
    GPT-5: 435 x 573 = 249,255
This is correct. But now lets try it with numbers its very unlikely to have seen before:

    Me: what is 102492524193282 multiplied by 89834234583922?
    GPT-5: 102492524193282 x 89834234583922 = 9,205,626,075,852,076,980,972,804
Which is not the correct answer, but it looks quite similar to the correct answer. Here is GPT's answer (first one) and the actual correct answer (second one):

    9,205,626,075,852,076,980,972,    804
    9,207,337,461,477,596,127,977,612,004
They sure look kinda similar, when lined up like that, some of the digits even match up. But they're very very different numbers.

So its trivially not "real thinking" because its just an "if this then that" pattern matcher. A very sophisticated one that can do incredible things, but a pattern matcher nonetheless. There's no reasoning, no step by step application of logic. Even when it does chain of thought.

To try give it the best chance, I asked it the second one again but asked it to show me the step by step process. It broke it into steps and produced a different, yet still incorrect, result:

    9,205,626,075,852,076,980,972,704
Now, I know that LLM's are language models, not calculators, this is just a simple example that's easy to try out. I've seen similar things with coding: it can produce things that its likely to have seen, but struggles with logically relatively simple but unlikely to have seen things.

Another example is if you purposely butcher that riddle about the doctor/surgeon being the persons mother and ask it incorrectly, eg:

    A child was in an accident. The surgeon refuses to treat him because he hates him. Why?
The LLM's I've tried it on all respond with some variation of "The surgeon is the boy’s father." or similar. A correct answer would be that there isn't enough information to know the answer.

They're for sure getting better at matching things, eg if you ask the river crossing riddle but replace the animals with abstract variables, it does tend to get it now (didn't in the past), but if you add a few more degrees of separation to make the riddle semantically the same but harder to "see", it takes coaxing to get it to correctly step through to the right answer.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#118

I really don't like this. This will inevitable expand beyond child porn and terrorism, and it'll all be up to the whims of "AI safety" people, who are quickly turning into digital hall monitors.

> This will inevitable expand beyond child porn and terrorism This is not even a question. It always starts with "think about the children" and ends up in authoritarian stasi-style spying. There was not a single instance where it was not the case. UK's Online Safety Act - "protect children" → age verification → digital ID for everyone Australia's Assistance and Access Act - "stop pedophiles" → encryption backdoors EA…

This may be an unpopular opinion, but I want a government-issued digital ID with zero-knowledge proof for things like age verification. I worry about kids online, as well as my own safety and privacy.

I also want a government issued email, integrated with an OAuth provider, that allows me to quickly access banking, commerce, and government services. If I lose access for some reason, I should be able to go to the post office, show my ID, and reset my credentials.

There are obviously risks, but the government already has full access to my finances, health data (I’m Canadian), census records, and other personal information, and already issues all my identity documents. We have privacy laws and safeguards on all those things, so I really don’t understand the concerns apart from the risk of poor implementations.

Re: Claude Opus 4 and 4.1 can now end a rare subset of conversations

#120
post #84

>This feature was developed primarily as part of our exploratory work on potential AI welfare ... We remain highly uncertain about the potential moral status of Claude and other LLMs ... low-cost interventions to mitigate risks to model welfare, in case such welfare is possible ... pattern of apparent distress Well looks like AI psychosis has spread to the people making it too. And as someone else in here has pointed…

I find it, for lack of a better word, cringe inducing how these tech specialists push into these areas of ethics, often ham-fistedly, and often with an air of superiority. Some of the AI safety initiatives are well thought out, but most somehow seem like they are caught up in some sort of power fantasy and almost attempting to actualize their own delusions about what they were doing (next gen code auto-complete in th…

Not that there aren’t intelligent people with PhDs but suggesting they are more talented than people without them is not only delusional but insulting.
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