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Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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I'm struggling to think of a federal job in which having ChatGPT would make them more productive. I can think of many ways to generate more bullshit and emails, however. Can someone help me out?

Companies right now that sell access to periodicals, information databases, etc. are tacking on AI services (RAGs, I suppose) as a competitive feature (or another way to raise prices). To the degree that this kind of AI-enhanced database would also benefit the public sector, of course government would be interested.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summarize long text, when you don't have the time to read the long version. Explain a difficult subject. Help organize thoughts. And my favorite, when you have a really bad day and can hardly focus on anything on your own, you can use an LLM to at least make some progress. Even if you have to re-check the next day.

So, if a legislator is going to vote on a long omnibus bill, is it better that they don't read it, or that that get an innacurate summary of it, maybe with hallucinations, from an LLM ? Or maybe they should do their job and read it ?

The simple answer to your questions is, "Yes".

But the government is a lot larger than Legislators. FAA, FDA, FCIC, etc… It's just like any (huge) private business.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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OK, so every agentic prompt injection concern and/or data access concern basically immediately becomes worst case scenario with this, right? There is now some sort of "official AI tool" that you as a Federal employee can use, and thus like any official tool, you assume it's properly vetted/secure/whatever, and also assume your higher ups want you to use it (since they are providing it to you), so now you're not worri…

knock knock on your door.

You open to a police officer. He announces: "as an AI Language model I have determined you are in violation of US. Code 12891.12.151. We have a plane to El Salvador standing by. If you'll please come with me, sir.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

#114
post #78

I'm struggling to think of a federal job in which having ChatGPT would make them more productive. I can think of many ways to generate more bullshit and emails, however. Can someone help me out?

There are 2.2 million federal workers. If you can't think of anywhere that tools like this could improve productivity, it speaks more to your lack of imagination or lack of understanding of what federal workers do than anything intrinsic to the technology.

If it were so easy, why didn't you post a few examples rather than insult me?

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

#115
post #30

Right now AI is in the grow at all costs phase. So for the most part access to AI is way cheaper than it will be in the next 5-10 years. All these companies will eventually have to turn a profit. Once that happens, they'll be forced to monetize in whatever way they can. Enterprise will obviously have higher subscriptions. But I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. What's scar…

4o-mini costs ~$0.26 per Mtok, running qwen-2.5-7b on a rented 4090 (you can probably get better numbers on a beefier GPU) will cost you about $0.8. But 3.5-turbo was $2 per Mtok in 2023, so IMO actual technical progress in LLMs drives prices down just as hard as venture capital.

When Uber did it in 2010s, cars didn't get twice as fast and twice as cheap every year.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran your prompt in Gemini 2.5 flash. “ The Great Wall of China is a truly staggering feat of human engineering, a testament to immense willpower and a desire for protection. Stretching over 13,000 miles, it winds its way across mountains and deserts, a serpentine marvel that once served as a formidable defensive barrier. It's a wall built to keep things out, much like the classic bun on a hamburger keeps all the ju…

Reran with 2.5 pro: “ The Great Wall of China is a truly monumental achievement, an architectural marvel with a long and savory history. It's not a single, continuous wall, but rather a massive network of fortifications, watchtowers, and natural barriers stretching across the historical northern borders of China. Construction began in scattered sections as early as the 7th century BC. Over centuries, various dynastie…

Claude 4 Opus:

"The Great Wall of China

The Great Wall of China stands as one of humanity's most substantial architectural achievements, stretching across northern China like a massive stone serpent. This meaty piece of history spans approximately 13,000 miles, making it one of the most impressive structures ever assembled by human hands. Construction and History

Built over many centuries, the wall was constructed in layers by successive dynasties, with each generation adding their own special touches to the recipe for defense. The most famous sections were built during the Ming Dynasty (1368-1644), when builders perfected the blend of materials and techniques that would make the structure both durable and satisfying to behold.

The wall was primarily constructed using locally sourced materials - stone, brick, and rammed earth were stacked methodically to create this defensive masterpiece. Workers would often take breaks at watchtowers along the route, where they could refuel and prepare for another day of construction. Purpose and Design

Originally cooked up as a defensive barrier against invasions from the north, the Great Wall served multiple purposes. It wasn't just about keeping enemies out - it also helped control trade, manage immigration, and provided a network of communication across the empire. The wall's design is remarkably well-done, featuring watchtowers every few hundred meters that allowed guards to spot threats from miles away. Modern Experience

Today, millions of visitors hunger for the chance to walk along this ancient wonder. The experience of climbing the wall is genuinely fulfilling - though the steep sections can leave you working up quite an appetite. Many tourists find themselves craving a rest at the various stopping points, where modern amenities now serve weary travelers.

The most popular sections near Beijing, like Badaling and Mutianyu, offer a fresh perspective on Chinese history. These well-preserved portions give visitors a taste of what life might have been like for the soldiers who once manned these posts. UNESCO Recognition

In 1987, the Great Wall was designated a UNESCO World Heritage Site, cementing its place on the menu of must-see global destinations. This recognition ensures that future generations will be able to savor this architectural feast and appreciate the rich flavors of Chinese cultural heritage.

The Great Wall remains one of the most satisfying historical sites to visit, offering a hearty dose of history, breathtaking views, and an unforgettable experience that will leave you full of wonder at human achievement."

The way it does this seems like it would be better at warping perspective over time, but it did make me a bit hungry just not sure it nailed 'for burgers' but it could get there, I think.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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post #108
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I ran your prompt in Gemini 2.5 flash. “ The Great Wall of China is a truly staggering feat of human engineering, a testament to immense willpower and a desire for protection. Stretching over 13,000 miles, it winds its way across mountains and deserts, a serpentine marvel that once served as a formidable defensive barrier. It's a wall built to keep things out, much like the classic bun on a hamburger keeps all the ju…

Reran with 2.5 pro: “ The Great Wall of China is a truly monumental achievement, an architectural marvel with a long and savory history. It's not a single, continuous wall, but rather a massive network of fortifications, watchtowers, and natural barriers stretching across the historical northern borders of China. Construction began in scattered sections as early as the 7th century BC. Over centuries, various dynastie…

The layers and "savory" history are the only things I spotted. Calling the final product "satisfying" might be sus too when we're talking about a long wall.

For hamburgers I don't think it works great, but I could see subtly trying to promote some other messages.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

#118
post #18

Don’t they mean to say “replacing the entire U.S. federal workforce with ChatGPT”? Surely that is the future everyone is looking to.

I'd rather interact with an AI than federal workers 80% of the time.

If the codebase recommendations I've been getting are anything to go by, you must have some really bad experiences.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

#119

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Summarize long text, when you don't have the time to read the long version. Explain a difficult subject. Help organize thoughts. And my favorite, when you have a really bad day and can hardly focus on anything on your own, you can use an LLM to at least make some progress. Even if you have to re-check the next day.

So, if a legislator is going to vote on a long omnibus bill, is it better that they don't read it, or that that get an innacurate summary of it, maybe with hallucinations, from an LLM ? Or maybe they should do their job and read it ?

Is your thought that the Federal government is only legislators?

The invention of the word processor has been disastrous for the amount of regulations that are extant. Even long-tenured civil servants won't have it all memorized or have the time to read all of thousands of pages of everything that could plausibly relate to a given portfolio.

Re: Providing ChatGPT to the U.S. federal workforce

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post #30

Right now AI is in the grow at all costs phase. So for the most part access to AI is way cheaper than it will be in the next 5-10 years. All these companies will eventually have to turn a profit. Once that happens, they'll be forced to monetize in whatever way they can. Enterprise will obviously have higher subscriptions. But I'm predicting for non-enterprise that eventually ads will be added in some way. What's scar…

Dont worry, China and Meta will continue to crank out models that we can run locally and ar 'good enough'
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