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Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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However, the anecdotal evidence around the regular adult porn industry is that users go in the opposite direction. The data is abundantly clear that people, especially young people, are having less sex, all while porn consumption has increased substantially. Likewise, causality hasn't been proven, but it is likely the most compelling answer. Why it is it different? At what rate have child abuses declined?

It's hard to know because while less sex is occurring; anecdotally (look around on TikTok), people are bringing violent and dangerous behaviors into the bedroom like never before. Sexual choking has gone from a fringe behavior, into something that a study ( https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10508-024-02937-y ) found over 50% of young Australians had tried; even though almost anyone with a medical background…

The anti-porn lobby has been going crazy with this study since its release.

I guess when you are desperate for any grain of data backing your totally failed "porn is bad" hypothesis (porn has been a click away for hundred of millions going on 30 years now), you'll latch on to anything.

Ironically if you read the study, it's basically "People enjoyed the act and consented to it, but it's bad because not breathing can be fatal and it's also illegal in Australia". It's also a singular study (rather than a long term trend meta-study) with an online survey data collection method, so about as low of a rigor as you can get.

Of course though, it's gone around heavily marketed as "Record levels of boys are watching porn and going around violently choking out young women because of it".

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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post #51

Can someone explain how the same group of countries can simultaneously issue book-long regulations about how everyone needs to respect privacy to the nth degree, and run around the world trying to force others to do the same, yet also propose these kinds of things?

You mean the same people running around the world wagging their fingers and lecturing about yoomun wightz and libwal demokwafee while sending arms, money, and diplomatic support to east european reject childbutchers in west asia?

yea, no idea ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Do citizens in the EU actually want this? If not, how are EU politicians so disconnected from their citizens? How did this state of affairs come to be? Is it reversible? In the US, our politicians don’t diverge quite as much, but when they do, the reason is money, and when it gets bad, we throw the bums out and elect populists. It’s not pretty and it’s messy but it self corrects with the next election if it doesn’t w…

The USA elected a fascist and will be lucky to have fair voting ever again. So we're not really qualified to comment on any other country doing anything.

Maybe but I don't follow your 'So ...'. Just who decides the qualification?

I suspect that most here will agree with you. However in the interests of encouraging a sober analysis: https://www.villagenews.com/story/2025/06/20/opinion/is-trum...

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Vote them out and never vote for their parties in your general elections If your Member of European Parliament supports chat control stop voting for their parties and politically support their opposition

Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!? Asking your politicians to lie to you is not a substitute for changing their incentives. The key point to make is that once you're spying on your own people, you've created the single weakest point of entry for your geopolitical opponents spying on you and manipulating the popula…

The surveillance state in europe is being created to make it illegal to oppose mass immigration policies, because apparently the powers that be have realized that not enough people like mass immigration so it needs to be forced down everyone's throat with a combination of censorship, surveillance and party-banning. From your comment, it seems like you support mass immigration policies but also do not support censorship and surveillance (maybe only for practical reasons because it might eventually be used against things you like?). The question for you is: what if you couldn't choose? What if you could only have both or neither? Because that's whats on offer.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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post #109
post #98

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Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!? Asking your politicians to lie to you is not a substitute for changing their incentives. The key point to make is that once you're spying on your own people, you've created the single weakest point of entry for your geopolitical opponents spying on you and manipulating the popula…

Can only speak for Germany and the mass deportations here are done by liberals. They also let 40k+ people drown in the Mediterranean, support literally every single war, support multiple genocides and export weapons to all dictatorships known to man. At this point I'm not sure the actual Nazis would be worse than liberals. Also very weird how whenever "liberals/centrists" are in power the (ultra) right gain lots of m…

I don't want to get too political, but calling the CDU/CSU liberal is pretty misleading in this context considering that they are part of the EVP (conservative) on a European level and not Renew Europe (liberal).

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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post #45

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ratification_of_the_Treaty_of_... Like when the Irish electorate rejected the Lisbon Treaty, and then was then harangued into accepting a reheated version. Opponents of the treaty reasonably asked if it could be best-of-three.

> and then was then harangued into accepting a reheated version After receiving concessions.

Importantly around neutrality which was most people’s issue anyway.

The real problem was that the referendum commission (the state body in charge of informing the public on these matters) was deemed “too neutral” and was forever after hobbled and since then we have had to vote in a veritable information vacuum.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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Something the HN discussion on this topic just like the UK online safety act seems to ignore is that this kind of legislation has broad support among voters.

I'd say in general people are more concerned about The Bad People than about privacy. Probably because they mostly trust their governments, certainly more than they trust Big Tech.

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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post #109
post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vote for an opposition which promises mass deportations? Certainly, they will never go back on their word to create a surveillance state?!? Asking your politicians to lie to you is not a substitute for changing their incentives. The key point to make is that once you're spying on your own people, you've created the single weakest point of entry for your geopolitical opponents spying on you and manipulating the popula…

Can only speak for Germany and the mass deportations here are done by liberals. They also let 40k+ people drown in the Mediterranean, support literally every single war, support multiple genocides and export weapons to all dictatorships known to man. At this point I'm not sure the actual Nazis would be worse than liberals. Also very weird how whenever "liberals/centrists" are in power the (ultra) right gain lots of m…

What "mass" deportations in germany are you talking about? I can only find any news references to two flights, totaling ~100 people in the past year. Surely even a normal level of deportations, let alone "mass" deportations, would generate more deportations than this?

And you're really not sure this is less draconian than nazis?

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can only speak for Germany and the mass deportations here are done by liberals. They also let 40k+ people drown in the Mediterranean, support literally every single war, support multiple genocides and export weapons to all dictatorships known to man. At this point I'm not sure the actual Nazis would be worse than liberals. Also very weird how whenever "liberals/centrists" are in power the (ultra) right gain lots of m…

I don't want to get too political, but calling the CDU/CSU liberal is pretty misleading in this context considering that they are part of the EVP (conservative) on a European level and not Renew Europe (liberal).

What has anything I said to do with the European parliament? I'm talking about the same parties in general. Greens are even further right than cdu/csu who have the same policies in 99% of cases as libs

>I don't want to get too political

Do you practice self censorship like the German media?

Re: EU proposal to scan all private messages gains momentum

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> If circumvention takes little to no effort the people that are already committed to CSAM are going to CSAM. Meta made 1.8M CSAM reports to authorities in 2024 Q4 alone. An awful lot of these people aren’t taking any steps at all to avoid detection – they are posting it to social media. You can argue the ethics of this scanning all you want, but if you’re arguing that it won’t be effective then you’re wrong.

You're acting like those 1.8m reports are actually legit. I'd wager it's 99% baby pictures, gore, normal porn and dank memes, in that order and that the other 1% was parties a) already on the radar of law enforcement b) hacked accounts being utilized for that purpose by parties unknown. If it were of real value they'd be touting arrests, not reports.

You forgot c) real but won't be looked at by understaffed police agencies
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