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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by lm28469 »

whynotminot wrote: post #96
lm28469 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> AI in its current form is democratizing and allowing exactly the not rich to be relatively more dangerous. Which part exactly ? The part where everyone pays 20+ a month to a few megacorps or the part where we willingly upload all our thoughts to a central server ?

$20 a month for a nearly unlimited stream of high intelligence isn’t really undemocratic imo

> stream of high intelligence

I think you're overestimating what people use llms for. The only thing they're democratising is themselves

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Post by 9rx »

em-bee wrote: post #86
9rx wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, why? If people still want other people to do things for them, accounting isn't going anywhere. It has already been invented. We don't have to un-invent it. But, if this our future, then humans remain relevant, so there is no concern about job loss or anything of that nature. If, however, some future plays out where people aren't needed to work anymore, there will simply be no need for trade. The magical AIs, or w…

whatever [...] they think will eliminate the need to hire people, will provide instead the problem is that whose who do that thinking want to enrich themselves and not provide for others. if that doesn't work, then they won't do it. so the question is, how do we get from the current situation to this life of abundance without letting the majority of people suffer in the transition. because that is hat will happen if…

> the problem is that whose who do that thinking want to enrich themselves and not provide for others.

That might be your problem, but isn't the problem being discussed.

> so the question is, how do we get from the current situation to this life of abundance without letting the majority of people suffer in the transition.

The question is, from the perspective of what is being discussed, who cares? "I got mine" applies.

> less and less labor is needed

If those with the magical AI no longer need labor, it is more likely, as counterintuitive as it may seem, to lead to more and more labor! How? Well, if those with the magical AI no longer need people to work for them, they'll simply disappear from the economy. Which means everyone else without the magical AI will be the economy, and labor is what they most have to offer, so that is what they will trade.

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Post by oefrha »

I’m not job seeking but someone emailed to offer an allegedly lucrative side gig working with some unspecified top AI lab to help them train their coding models. I thought what the hell. Uploaded CV, was immediately thrown into an AI interview (and asking for camera access). Quickly closed the browser tab and blackholed that company’s email domain. Hands down the most disrespectful thing I’ve faced in my career.

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Post by siva7 »

Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

Somehow i would rather stay homeless or prostitute myself than throwing my dignity away by letting an a.i. assess me over the whole job interview. Yet this is where we are heading. Being graded by openai (and co). Iris scanned by openai. Who knows what comes next..

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Post by zeroCalories »

Mordisquitos wrote: post #10
Garlef wrote: post #5

Maybe we can get a counter-AI that does the AI interview for us?

I had the same thought. The CEO of Braintrust, a company that offers AI interviewers, is quoted as saying “The truth is, if you want a job, you’re gonna go through this thing,” . Let's see how they react to the founding of 'Trainbust', a company offering AI interviewees to respond to AI interviewers. The truth is, if they want to use AI interviewers, they’re gonna have to go through this thing.

He's right though. The job market is bad for workers right now. Employers don't need to kiss your ass like in 2021.

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Post by assword »

siva7 wrote: post #114
Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

Somehow i would rather stay homeless or prostitute myself than throwing my dignity away by letting an a.i. assess me over the whole job interview. Yet this is where we are heading. Being graded by openai (and co). Iris scanned by openai. Who knows what comes next..

Eh, they’ll strip everything else from you, don’t let them take your pride.

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Post by colechristensen »

Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

My rule for interviews is the company has to spend equal human time or I decline.

This means no 8 hour tests, no talking to computers, no special little projects for me to evaluate me.

You get equal face time and no more than 45 minutes of me doing anything by myself (that's the max leeway).

If you want me to do anything else either I'm getting paid short term contractor rates or making you make a sizable donation to charity.

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Post by tristor »

Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

This basically aligns with my thoughts on this as well. With a human interviewer the company is indicating some level of seriousness by having a person they are paying invest at least an equal amount of time in the interview that you are investing as a candidate, because they must be present in person for the interview. AI "interviewers" create another power asymmetry by forcing candidates to invest more actual time than the company has invested. The company is not paying the cost of a human's time to talk to you, but are expecting you to invest your human time.

Something fundamental that I think gets missed a lot in any conversation about AI, is that the only thing that has any value or meaning in the world is fundamentally human time, the seconds that tick by between your birth and your death. Everything else is some abstraction of that. The entire value of money is to buy the time or the produce of time of other people. The entire value of AI is to produce more with less investment of human time. Using AI to conduct "interviews" is detestable behavior that devalues humanity overall and possess no dignity. It's utterly disgusting, and it should probably be illegal.

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Post by agentultra »

> “The truth is, if you want a job, you’re gonna go through this thing,” Adam Jackson, CEO and founder of Braintrust, a company that distributes AI interviewers, tells Fortune. “If there were a large portion of the job-seeking community that were wholesale rejecting this, our clients wouldn’t find the tool useful… This thing would be chronically underperforming for our clients. And we’re just not seeing that—we’re seeing the opposite.”

They're seeing the opposite because people are desperate. When HR teams use tools like this interviewees have no choice. Braintrust are literally holding people hostage with this. Of course the numbers look good. But you didn't ask the people being interviewed by your product what they think of it or how it made them feel.

And of course Mr. Jackson doesn't care. His company's bottom line is his performance bonus.

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