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UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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Re: UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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Yes they seem very different. Firstly NGOs can do stuff. Groups like Doctors Without Borders come to mind. The UN doesn't do stuff because it's not meant to do stuff. It's where countries come to discuss things. Sometimes they do things, but only when all the important countries agree. I feel like people expect way too much from organizations like the UN, as if they're supposed to act like a world government.

I agree on the latter point, but I think it's unfair to say the UN doesn't "do stuff". A lot of the time they partner with govs to deliver the below, but they're frequently the provider of last resort too: UNHCR (High Commissioner for Refugees): delivers shelter, food, and protection to millions of refugees and internally displaced persons. • WFP (World Food Programme): feeds over 100 million people annually and won…

That's fair, but I would say it's not really the UN that does those things, it's the countries that sponsor those programs. Saying otherwise implies the UN is some kind of distinct body with its own interests, which it is not. It is just a medium through which countries interact.

Re: UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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Isn’t this why democracy fails? It is exhausting. It is work designed for a paid shill. It is a burden placed on the governed by the government to distance everyone from participating. It is the shade preceding the darkness that democracy dies in.

What is "this" in the why democracy fails? Are you suggesting that the UN is some kind of democracy?

Bureaucracy

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Try https://www.charitynavigator.org , which tells you what percentage of donated money is directly spent on the cause versus administration, staffing, etc. Charities vary widely, and it’s worth comparing charities in the same space, e.g., healthcare, hunger relief, veterans, because different spaces have different overheads.

Not so much the problem. The bigger issue is a ton of foundations are just bribery enabling organizations. There's a reason pretty much every politician and rich person has one. Donate $10k and the foundation can pay for a lavish speaking engagement in the Bahamas. The foundation head can give a 10 minute $50000 talk about how poverty is bad and then they enjoy the open bar and conversations with rich and powerful pe…

I don't know anything about the CFJ, but their 990 from 2024 suggests that they really aren't spending much on overhead besides wages and salaries[1].

[1]: https://projects.propublica.org/nonprofits/organizations/813...

Re: UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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> for some reason, they don't want to tell us It should be pretty clear why they don't want to show and tell.

I'm quite confident on why they don't want to share their data and/or methodology but there could be legitimate reasons and I want to be open to those. Regardless, without that information, we can only evaluate them based on how rigorus they've been in the past: Are the researchers and organizations involved known for effective data collection and solid analysis?

>but there could be legitimate reasons and I want to be open to those

Then they the should just say what those reasons are. What's there to hide?

You can't expect to be opaque and then the public to blindly trust you simply on the basis that you call yourself experts.

Re: UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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I work in this industry, a few scattered thoughts/explanations of how things work for the uninitiated.

These figures are actually pretty decent compared to the World Bank, who did a similar exercise in 2014 and found just under a third of their reports were _never_ downloaded [1].

The article discusses _only_ UN Secretariat reports, which, to my understanding, excludes most agencies (e.g., UNICEF, UNHCR etc.). We're looking at a very small sliver of the UN system here, i.e., there are many, many, many reports produced by the UN that aren't discussed.

I'm struggling to find the source report for the 1,100 figure, but I think this is probably a massive under-estimate from _within_ the Secretariat, because AFAIU, the Secretariat includes the Office for Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA), who did >300 situation reports (sitreps) in the first half of this year.[2] I think it very unlikely sitreps constitute over half of the reports produced by the Secretariat.

Looking at the role of reports in the sector generally, it's best to think about them as a sort of parallel academic system, indeed many are produced alongside universities. Without my cynic hat on, they've got three audiences/uses, all very similar to traditional academic publishing: 1) getting press coverage, 2) informing activities/policy, 3) informing other reports.

Like academia, you're looking at a very diverse body of work, in terms of quality, usefulness and (importantly for the discussion) breadth of relevance. You have reports with genuine, absolute humanitarian necessity, (e.g., sitreps) [2]; you have ongoing annual tracking on a range of issues [3], matters of record [4], so much navel-gazing crap on the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs)[5] which are the global goals for the UN.

A lot of it is turgid, obtuse, expensively-produced crap; some of it is the canonical take on a particular issue (e.g., climate change, migration from Northern Africa to Europe) and will be used by governments when developing their policy response. Some of it will only get used by a few niche NGOs when writing their proposals for their next years' work, or as a footnote in another report which will be read by a very limited audience. Some of it will be used by humanitarian agencies to ensure they're not all delivering aid to the same region.

It's hard to defend the UN sometimes, it's certainly very easy to criticise. All in all, I agree with the comments in the thread that note that these reports aren't for a general audience. I also agree that reader count isn't necessarily a good metric: a good report with good policy recommendations that's read and implemented by a small number of policy-makers beats the shit out of the thousandth report on SDG implementation that's read by a lot of actors because it's broad enough to be relevant to more people.

Not all are a particularly good use of funds and human effort, but the same could be said of a huge chunk of academic publishing. It's also (mostly) targeted at improving the world. I'd encourage anyone getting too pissy in the thread to consider the amount of resources tech industry invests in getting people to click ads, to con people into subscriptions, to squeeze customers, undermine labour, encourage addictive behaviours and sell us stuff we don't need.

It's a very different world to the tech scene: as flawed, as diverse, as occasionally brilliant, arguably more necessary, arguably less impactful. Frustrating and fascinating in equal measure.

[^1]: https://openknowledge.worldbank.org/entities/publication/fa4...

[^2]: https://reliefweb.int/updates?view=reports&advanced-search=%...

[^3]: https://www.un-ilibrary.org/content/books/9789211065923

[^4]: https://www.un-ilibrary.org/content/books/9789213589960

[^5]: https://www.un-ilibrary.org/content/periodicals/26181061

Re: UN report finds UN reports are not widely read

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> last year that the U.N. system supported 27,000 meetings involving 240 bodies, and the U.N. secretariat produced 1,100 reports The bureacracy is expanding to meet the needs of the expanding bureaucracy

Isn’t this why democracy fails? It is exhausting. It is work designed for a paid shill. It is a burden placed on the governed by the government to distance everyone from participating. It is the shade preceding the darkness that democracy dies in.

I see it as a preoccupation with the act of voting, in place of actual decision making. Incompetence disguised by paperwork is common feature, especially when the problem feel intractable but there is pressure to "get results".

Rules, protocol and regs are obviously necessary to some extent, but it feels like (in Europe, at least) the map has been confused with the terrain. Overly burdensome protocols are fuel for inaction and hand-wringing and, not very surprisingly, private interests have learnt to take advantage of this (e.g. lawfare)

It is tempting to adopt a "drain the swamp" mentality, but we should remember that swamps are ecosystems too.

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