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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #99
nyeah wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. We've coasted for a long time on importation of geniuses and on being the only un-bombed industrial nation ... in 1946. And now we've largely closed the door to geniuses from wealthy countries. (Why take the risk of living in the USA right now?) We've even taken the first few steps towards deliberately driving out the geniuses we have. I didn't expect that even six months ago.

Academic institutions in the last decade or two started pre-filtering based on ideology goals before taking into account actual research. In general the system was veering off as the massive bureaucracy gained mission creep.

So I hear. But how much has that really affected medicine, math, physics, chemistry, engineering? And is destroying universities altogether really the solution?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by mensetmanusman »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #86
mensetmanusman wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We can thank Hitler for the exodus of academics to the US and for the creation of the Israel/Palestine issue (without the holocaust/ww2, the state would never had been made).

Israel/Palestine started long before WW2. https://www.britannica.com/place/Palestine/World-War-I-and-a...

Yes, but the final push was due to Germany’s neighbors passing the buck on helping fleeing Jews. After the world learned the consequences of that, the political will to create the state was cemented.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by sitkack »

wiz21c wrote: post #77
sitkack wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

MAGA is heavily antisemitic, you absolutely right that this is pretext. They would have picked something else, this is just the best one at the time.

Considering US support to Israel, I wonder if MAGA is Trump or not...

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/christian-zionism-israel-anti...

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by ndsipa_pomu »

chickenzzzzu wrote: post #22

Hopefully people will now see the benefit of not centralizing basically all of the power and money on Earth in institutions. It is extremely annoying how it is a natural fact of life that entities tend to agglomerate and acquire each other, when instead the best way to ensure freedom and openness is through federation.

I'd consider that the issue isn't centralisation so much as that can be very useful, but that rich/connected people are not penalised for breaking laws.

It's absolutely bizarre to me that a convicted felon can run for president and apparently win. It's not surprising to then see that position be abused for personal profit and petty revenge.

Centralising research efforts can make a lot of sense if you want to gather the top people to work on related projects (e.g. CERN)

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by vFunct »

paxys wrote: post #24
willvarfar wrote: post #7

Public support for Israel is steadily falling; this poll was published just a couple of days ago https://news.gallup.com/poll/692948/u.s.-back-israel-militar... and other G7 countries are moving to recognise Palestine. So will the administration's push to use pro-Israel reasons to censure and penalise the universities steadily get out of touch with what the public want and sympathise with?

When has a dictatorship ever cared about public opinion?

ALL dictatorships need public support to remain in power. Even medeival kings needed public support from the merchant class.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by xrayarx »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Terence_Tao

Tao won the Fields Medal in 2006 and won the Royal Medal and Breakthrough Prize in Mathematics in 2014, and is a 2006 MacArthur Fellow. Tao has been the author or co-author of over three hundred research papers, and is widely regarded as one of the greatest living mathematicians.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by mgaunard »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

why does US law have articles to specifically protect one ethnic group instead of being generic and protecting them all?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by fuzzfactor »

nyeah wrote: post #68
fuzzfactor wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>most severely damaging those who are graduating soon. When Nixon was getting ready for his recession it was pretty bad too.

It was not like this. Nixon was not dismantling science and engineering.

>dismantling science and engineering.

Not directly, I admit that was just collateral damage.

About like these NSF grants are situated within the big picture.

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